2017 U.S. Open Cup schedule

So if the Miami/Cincinnati winner beats the Red Bulls AND San Jose beats Kansas City (the former might be more likely than the latter, if for no other reason than home teams tend to win a lot in this tournament, most things being otherwise equal), we would have a lower-division side hosting the final for the first time in the modern era.

 

Will these 2 matches be televised or streamed?

 

0-0 at the half

 

Home record crowd over 10,400 go home disappointed with the 1-0 Miami loss, match could have gone either way.

 

Here's the latest update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

*not at all true

Some basic info, for those who want it:
1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
3. The actual results used are as follows:
a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

2017 Note: Based on earlier discussions, I will keep NASL and USL separate for this year. Once we see how sanctioning for these leagues goes, a final decision about their future representation in these numbers will be made.

Round	MLS	NASL	USL	PDL	NPSL	USASA/etc
2016	1798	1609	1575	1371	1289	1358
2017 R1	1798	1609	1575	1365	1298	1354
2017 R2	1798	1603	1608	1363	1284	1344
2017 R3	1798	1623	1606	1341	1284	1348
2017 R4	1787	1632	1609	1341	1284	1347
2017 R5	1781	1640	1607	1341	1284	1347
2017 QF	1781	1630	1617	1341	1284	1347

MLS teams don't change at all because they only played with each other. USL's road win brings them and NASL to almost an equivalent rating. Cincinnati is at home next round, so there isn't likely to be too much in changes from the semi finals.

 

Feel bad for that home crowd. That being said, ¡Vamos FC Cincinnati! Their fans better bring it Tuesday night (I'm sure they will)! Keep the Cinderella run alive!

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see 30K+ for that NYRB match. 20K+ is eseentually guaranteed.

 

and my guess is a complete sell-out at 40K even with suspected coverage on ESPN...we'll see

 

I wonder if "SOLD OUT" means full capacity with all amenities within Nippert Stadium. Or just a portion of the stadium with some sections taped off.

 

Also, putting up numbers like that for club matches is forcing MLS to maybe bump Cincy ahead of more attractive markets.

 

I guess SKC hosting the final is a safe choice. IF Cincinnati hosted, Nippert stadium would be rocking for the finals. It would be epic; and I would love to see it. But if NYRB wins, the finals would be played to a half empty stadium like it always is. As much as I'm not a found fan of SKC, i know the fans will fill their venue for a cup final.

 

I believe the order of hosting was random. Not if you don't believe that it was really random, yeah maybe.

 

I know the hosting draws are essentially coin flips. I was just going over the desirable places to host the finals.

Cincinnati >>KC>>>>>>>>>>San Jose>NYRB

Since KC had already advanced. It was a "safe" choice for a good Finals crowd. Rather than risk NYRB winning their matchup and hosting.

 

Final of #USOC2017 will be broadcast LIVE on @ESPN (2) & @ESPN Deportes at 9 p.m. ET/8 CT on Sept. 20

 

Here's the final 2017 update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

*not at all true

Some basic info, for those who want it:
1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
3. The actual results used are as follows:
a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

2017 Note: Based on earlier discussions, I will keep NASL and USL separate for this year. Once we see how sanctioning for these leagues goes, a final decision about their future representation in these numbers will be made.

Round	MLS	NASL	USL	PDL	NPSL	USASA/etc
2016	1798	1609	1575	1371	1289	1358
2017 R1	1798	1609	1575	1365	1298	1354
2017 R2	1798	1603	1608	1363	1284	1344
2017 R3	1798	1623	1606	1341	1284	1348
2017 R4	1787	1632	1609	1341	1284	1347
2017 R5	1781	1640	1607	1341	1284	1347
2017 QF	1781	1630	1617	1341	1284	1347
2017 Final	1787	1630	1610	1341	1284	1347

Cincinnati put up a good fight, but couldn't hold it together in the end.

A reminder to everyone that it is the relative ratings which matter for this, not the absolute scores. While it may look like relatively minor changes, NASL and USL both closed a decent gap with MLS this year. Don't get me wrong, the gap between MLS and those two leagues is still huge, especially since MLS teams don't field their 1st team for the first couple rounds they participate in. It's just nice to see there be a bit more competition between the leagues than we've had the last couple tournaments.

 

referee crew announced:

http://proreferees.com/2017/08/28/2017-lamar-hunt-u-s-open-cup-final-crew-announced/