Copa Confederaciones 2017 (R)

Discussion in 'Chile: Selecciones Nacionales' started by MetroChile, Nov 25, 2016.

  1. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I strongly disagree. Mistakes happen and it doesn't make anyone stupid for it. I, and the majority of Chileans, have and should applaud him.
     
  2. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    By saying stupidness, you are not saying that anyone is stupid.

    What it really implies, is acting stupidly at a given moment of time, where without any doubt that is what he did in that fatal moment for the team.
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    If for some "fantasy dream reason", we would be able to re-play the match again, with no doubt I would chose him again on the team, as usually Diaz doesn't do this type of errors. But, returning to reality and what did happen, is that with this error, Diaz gave away the match to the germans, whom as a diference to Diaz, didn't resort to stupidness and instead scored the goal.


    For fvcking it up, I will never applaude him.
     
  3. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    A part of me agrees with you, considering that this is the second final in a row where he sets our team back. Yesterday, Jara needs to get some of the blame as well. He signaled to play the ball back to Bravo.

    Yet, our inability to score is what gets me the most. You can erase the mistake by scoring on the other end.
     
  4. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    It worries me as well, and not only for the next WC, but for the remaining matches at WC qualifiers, where we are at less than 2 months away, from starting to take place.
     
  5. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Committing one mistake doesn't make you stupid, that's my point. Anyway, a different perspective, I will continue to applaud him.
     
  6. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Lo preocupante es la falta de gol del equipo chileno. Esta Copa Confederaciones la pudimos haber ganado facilmente y terminamos mascando el polvo de la derrota. Y lo de Jara Impresentable. Debio haber sido expulsado.
     
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  7. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
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  8. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Todos sanos, intentaría con:

    Alexis-Castillo-Vargas

    Veremos como anda Mora en México.
     
  9. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Nicolás Castillo vale hongo por la selección con solo 1 gol de chiripazo, pues la pelota le rebotó sobre la cabeza, contra Jamaica, tras 9 partidos.

    Pizzi ya lo ha probado varias veces, nunca dando buenos resultados, donde el equipo deja de atacar y cada vez que ha jugado más de 20 minutos, Chile ha perdido, con la única excepción del partido por eliminatorias contra Perú (donde jugó junto a Alexis y Vargas), donde fue necesario sacarlo (reemplazado por Puch) para que Chile pudiera crear y anotar el segundo gol (de la victoria), pues hasta ese momento lo único que Castillo alcanzó a hacer, es ganarse una tarjeta amarilla weona.

    Como sub-20, fue genial, pero en la mayor, ha sido como las wevas
     
  10. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Y por un solo partido lo vas a crucificar? EN esta copa Confederaciones, Vargas tuva varias y las desperdicio. Pa que decir ALexis, ayer insolito el gol que se perdio.
     
  11. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Entre Sánchez y Vargas han anotado más de 70 goles por la selección. Su lugar en el equipo nunca ha estado en duda. Tanto Sánchez, como Vargas, aunque anotaron poco en este torneo, igual marcaron 1 gol, donde además, tanto en conjunto como individualmente generaron muchísimas ocasiones de gol para el equipo. Aun jugando mal, marcan goles con muchísima mayor regularidad que Castillo, junto con generar muchas ocasiones para los demás.

    Castillo, en cambio, nunca ha hecho un solo buen partido por la selección, donde ni siquiera genera la más mínima ocasión para sus compañeros. No lo crucifico por un solo partido, sino que todos ellos. Para mí, le pesa en demasía la camiseta roja, pues a nivel de clubes si logra rendir (no es el primero, ni será el último jugador a quien le sucede esto).
     
  12. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Juguemos con la historia, entonces nominemos a Salas y Zamorano, total , qué importa la edad.
     
  13. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Si hoy estuvieran jugando y marcando goles, yo no tendría problema alguno en que sean llamados. Problema, aparte de que ya se retiraron del fútbol activo, es que si los has visto ultimamente, ambos están un poquito "rechonchos" (muchísimo más, Salas).....:p
     
  14. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Por ahora la solución para la falta de goles se llama Paredes.
     
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  15. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Trata de convencerte a @Yañez al respecto, quien al parecer lo único que ve, es que suele vestir de blanco....:rolleyes:

    Muy parecido a lo que pasa con el "mago", también....
     
  16. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    No es así ;) ya lo he dicho mil veces.
     
  17. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    My viewpoint is that football, especially in finals, is a game of momentum. The balance of play shifts. With the momentum firmly in our favour, Alexis failed to capitalise by not putting his team up 1-0. This, for me, qualifies as a gross and costly error.

    Diaz’ error was costly, for sure. It was also really stupid – and not just on his part. In that situation, players need to communicate and warn of danger. If Alexis’ goal, as you say, would not have guaranteed Chile’s victory, then one could say that Diaz’ mistake would not have guaranteed Chile’s defeat. It occurred in the 20th minute, with 70 minutes still to play. We had the players to equalise 1-1, just as Germany did in the group phase, but neither Alexis nor Vargas were in good form.
     
  18. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    That is the same thing that gets me the most. I'd also say that, when we attack in numbers, the player most likely to score for us if and when he gets the ball in a shooting position is Vidal. He is likely to force a save or parry from the keeper, at the very least.

    This is what I liked about Suazo in the 2010 world cup qualifiers when he was red-hot; he could just take one or two steps and shoot.

    I'm inclined to say that, as good as Alexis and Vargas have been in the last few years, they have also benefited from good service: Vidal, Díaz and Aránguiz through the middle, and both Isla and Beausejour on the flanks.
     
  19. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    (emphasis mine)
    Precisely, I thought about it as well as the alerting of "man on" is something I always emphasized to my players. In this case, also the goalkeeper, who is the captain, should for sure been directing poor Diaz.
     
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  20. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Reasonable post.

    But, the one thing you miss, is that when a match is so even between both teams taking part in it, one good action, or one bad one, can decide the final outcome of the match.

    When a match is so even, it is very likely that both teams can finish without scoring.

    For that match, Chile did not lose for not scoring. Chile lost, basicly because the germans scored 1 goal. A goal that would never have happened if Díaz wouldn't have fvk'd-up.
     
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  21. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    We lost because we did not score. Sanchez had one chance, Vidal another and Sagal at the end. Besides Diaz mistake, we suffered with it. In other words, we lost the game.
     
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  22. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    It all adds up, but like someone mentioned, it was a mistake. Anyway, its over.
     
  23. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile

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