Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

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  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Not the Spuds, please. Anywhere but the Spuds.
     
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  2. y-lee-coyote

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    Dec 4, 2012
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    I literally started laughing when you are talking about poor defense. Dortmund has a top of the table offense, but the defense is barely above midtable.

    ManUre is pathetic for the amount of cash they can splash on players //full stop

    The "Dream" or Money, since at this moment in time there is no footballing reason to leave. Despite many people apparently not rating BVB they are in a place where they can contend for CL titles, and if they can win by two goals tomorrow, or score three road goals and win the ET or peno kicks, they will advance. They look to be back again next year and likely a favorite to get out of their group.

    I think the worries about his development if he leaves BVB are overblown. He is going to get a 50 mil plus transfer and probably 150-175k a week. He will get plenty of chances to come good. At that kind of money his not coming good could cost a coach his job. Probably a year and a WC from being worth that kind of money, and BVB will still have two seasons on his contract IIRC. So he is going to cost a kings ransom. BVB will probably come back after the WC and get another four and if he doesn't come to terms look for a buyer before that last year.

    The question isn't really if he is good enough to be a starter, it is how many minutes can his body take in a season? I think he is close to that now. I woulld be very surprised if BVB did not have biometric monitoring and can't tell you exactly where his fitness is at any given time. I think sometimes when we see him left out, his body is not 100%, and TT is being very careful with his adopted son.
     
  3. y-lee-coyote

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    Dec 4, 2012
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    I really want to comment on this but since we are otuside the international window those discussions belong in the US men N&A forum.

    That way ---------->
     
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  4. Sizmik

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    Dec 21, 2011
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    United States

    Because people keep buying their players, Hummels and Sok are a solid tandem, we have to keep buying new players and developing them. It's a completely different scenario than Man U.
     
  5. y-lee-coyote

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    Dec 4, 2012
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    And Burki was hurt, etc, I get all that, and none of that changes the fact that Tuchel is a very offensive minded coach.
     
  6. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
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    What does that have to do with anything? Lol, I was commenting on PL teams not going after defensive talent with all of that money. We do go after talent, and promote from within our system. We don't have an unlimited budget and start Phil Jones lol....
     
  7. y-lee-coyote

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    Dec 4, 2012
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    I am sorry dude I found the irony amusing, and I think maybe you missed it. No worries mate, I like Dortmund and learned about them with Klopp, and got serious about watching them with CP and really enjoy the football. I sometimes pick them over Stoke and I love Stoke, despite their midtable status.
     
  8. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
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    All good!
     
  9. Cris 09

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    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
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    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What???

    No, not at a big club. And you are all expecting him to go to a "big" club, right? If he fails at a big club, it will get chalked down to, "He didn't have what it takes."

    When was the last time you saw a manager from a major club get fired because a major signing failed to perform? Usually the manager of these clubs just rotate them out and put in another player of his caliber, worth, salary and talent and the failed signing is simply forgotten until he gets transferred out. He ends up being just that; a failed signing.

    As far as BVB's defense....it has been an embarrassment of rotations this season.
     
  10. y-lee-coyote

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    Uhm, I think he is at a big club.

    As far as the coach getting fired maybe I overstated the case a bit but my point was he will get plenty of chances to come good when the balance of his fee and wages could be in the hundred million neighborhood.
     
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  11. Yup, it is suggested that the EPL overstretched use of young and not full grown Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney are the cause of their degrading at a relatively young age for pro soccer. It is paramount for soccer longevity for Pully to be in an environment that cares also for their young players long term soccer health. I guess you folks like to have Pully to be able to perform at a high quality level for USA and not start to run downhill around 28.
     
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  12. Van Gaal - Depay:oops:
     
  13. Nooooo...Did you do that;)
     
  14. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    #8264 Cris 09, Apr 18, 2017
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    I like to think he is at a big club... :D

    I think BVB is a competitive club that is well managed but it is still far from being more than a club that is a club people follow because their favorite player plays there. I am talking about the international fans - and to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that. Sometimes, this is how people start following different teams and then they become a fan of a club. It happened to me a bit when Ballack went to Chelsea. I had never followed a EPL club before.

    However, until BVB has players actually saying that their dream is to play in front of the yellow wall for Borussia Dortmund to follow the footsteps of their legends, it falls behind the mega clubs.

    I think Van Gaal may have gotten the boot based on results - or lack of. Fans disliked him for the most part and he had very little control of the dressing room. Depay was not why he got fired - just a small component of it.
     
  15. striker

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    Aug 4, 1999
    and yet so many posters here complain every time when he did not play/start.
     
  16. Suyuntuy

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    This may sound like heresy, but I think refereeing in the Champions is inferior to what you see in the Libertadores.
     
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  17. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Monaco given potentially two goals and because Dortmund spoke out against FIFA, I guarantee they will be hard done in the return leg.

    For real that is nothing new. But it is nice to see it against BM .

    I think it's atletis year. That defense is monstrous.
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Juve & Atleti. Good defense is the start of everything else.

    Tuchel must pay attention.
     
  19. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

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    I don't know if Tuchel cares about winning. He strikes me more as caring about playing what he thinks is the correct way. More like a Zdenek Zeman.
     
  20. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    do you suspect it was Tuchel's idea to sell Hummels and not replace him? The coach may not have control of that.
     
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  21. KenC

    KenC Member+

    Jun 11, 2003
    Even if he were a shooting star and were to peak early at 28, rather than in his 30s, that would mean he'd be peaking after the 2026 WC. Would that be so bad?
     
  22. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Idealists are dangerous people.
     
  23. I'm not talking bout peaking, I'm talking about the longevity of his career, which is in the interest of the USMNT too. To be capable to play a high quality game into your early 30ies, instead of fizzling out towards your 28th seems to me better.
     
  24. Especially those that give hope for a better football world;)
     
  25. lmorin

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    Perhaps, but to my mind, the correct way is to have a blazing attack that scores lots of goals supported by a defense that doesn't allow any. Dortmund lacks the latter, obviously.
     

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