San Diego 1904 FC expansion thread

Discussion in 'NASL Expansion' started by XaviusX, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    To be frank, your opinion on American soccer names is irrelevant. It would be the same way if I tried to comment on Italian soccer names, as an American it is not my place, and I do not expect you to care at all about what my opinion is.

    As well I don't think you have a good enough understanding about just how completely irrelevant the old NASL is to America but a very very small minority of people. There are people who are heavily into soccer, they live and breath it, who don't even know the NASL ever existed. Most people who know about it only know that Pele played here on a team in New York, but have no idea what that team was named or what league they played in. That league was just the tiniest of blips on American culture. I think you are overvaluing NASL history.
     
  2. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You clearly have no idea why Chivas USA failed. It wasn't because it had a Mexican sounding name they failed...

    It was because they artificially limited themselves to US based fans of Chivas Guadalajara. Just having a Spanish language name does not do that. Nor does it associate anything with "Mexican Immigration". Most things in California have some ties to Spanish or Mexican Culture. In fact the largest ethnic group in California are Latinos. You may be viewing the entire US through some warped post-Trump prism, but that sorely limits your view of the US my friend, and California in particular which is not Trumpland.
     
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  3. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Donald can disagree until he's orange in the face. The US officially does not have a language.
     
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  4. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    you are free to think what you want and I am free to think and say that I don't agree with you
     
  5. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    leaving politics outside, it's well known that the ethnic label (sport for immigrants, not american and so on) has been a big obstacle for ages, and this is written on american soccer history books and websites...things have luckily changed but I guess a spanish name would not sound good beacause it would exclude the americans as it would looklike something made just for latinos. Not to get back to the old NASL once again (which to me is the big bang for Us soccer) but for instance when the team in Los Angeles was called Aztecs it was a great idea, a name aking to the history of latin population but in english, so it should be for SD, Let alone that conquistadores is not really politically correct (but I am not either) to me it should be San Diego Conquerors and not conquistadores
     
  6. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, I see no point in continuing this discussion. You clearly have never been to California or understand anything about it.
     
  7. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I prefer Union over the Atoms or Fury personally and so do a lot of Philly fans. Currently all the popular old NASL names are being used. The rest should stay in the past.
     
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  8. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I will ask The Donald about it :)
     
  9. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fact that you think Donald Trump is representative of the United States, or California in particular, belies the fact you've no clue what you're talking about.
     
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  10. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I am aware it is not, luckily but I see you as a little bit smatterer
     
  11. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel flatterered.
     
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  12. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing about the name "Los Angeles Aztecs" is in English. Do you know who the Aztecs are?
     
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  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And here's the problem: you don't think.
     
  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Luckily, my irony meter is under warranty.

    1976 - Philadelphia Atoms play their final NASL game.
    1978 - Philadelphia Fury plays their first NASL game.
    March 28, 1979 - Three Mile Island incident.

    Will. You. Please. Shut. Up?
     
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  15. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    You must be related to Giorgio Chinalgia.


    When it comes to brains that is not a compliment.


    Are you a criminal and unethical liar also?
     
  16. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyway back to the topic of NASL Expansion in San Diego. Neither team seems poised to play in San Diego proper, so all of this "old San Diego" (nevermind old non-San Diego) name BS is pointless. They'll come up with some new names befitting their locations in North County and Chula Vista (which have never hosted any type of NASL soccer before).

    They have however both hosted D2 soccer before with the old A-League's San Diego Flash.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this is two separate things, and I wish to make a distinction. (Also, twentysomethings who discovered soccer an hour and a half ago aren't exactly the best barometers.)

    The original NASL was hugely important in the history of the game in this country. The fact Millennials who wear Chelsea shirts aren't aware of it ( a ) doesn't change that and ( b ) kind of puts paid to the notion that they eat, breathe and live the game because you do all that without having a sense of history at your own risk.

    But it IS true that there's a fine line between nostalgia and necromancy. The trend that restored the Timbers, Whitecaps, Sounders and Earthquakes to our top domestic flight (and the Rowdies et al below) is fine because those were iconic brands, whether today's coveted beer-and-scarves demographic is aware of that or not.

    But the organizations currently wielding those brands have actually done the work. (Well, except for the Strikers, obviously.) You can't just say, "We'll bring this brand from the 70s out of mothballs and it will do the work for us!"

    In respect to the Los Angeles Aztecs, great name, fine. But almost nobody gave a rat's ass about the original Aztecs (the soccer team, I mean, not the original original Aztecs), and just slapping that name on something today is not a guarantee of success.

    Anyone who thinks you can is overvaluing the power of nostalgia, not NASL history. History is what happened. And the NASL was hugely important to our soccer landscape (even if, as you who were not around for it claims, it made hardly a blip on the culture, to which I would ask if you are aware of the youth participation boom that followed the league's heyday). That's not in question.

    The question is how much do those retro brands really influence ticket-buying and fan commitment decisions today? In many cases, maybe not a lot, surely not by themselves.

    But some resonate more with people in their markets than others. Few people pine for the return of the Aztecs or the Rogues or the Hurricane or Team Hawaii. Almost no one alive saw Bethlehem Steel play. (And, to be fair, a lot of the people who have co-opted the Cosmos are doing it to put their soccer bona fides in a microwave because they just showed up.)

    The name itself cannot do magical things. There is a whole lot more work that has to be done. Only simpletons think we absolutely need to restore an old brand every time someone puts a team in a city that used to have an NASL club.
     
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  18. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a kid in the 80s I had heard of the name Bethlehem Steel, I had no idea what sport they play but I knew it was a team. Back to SD, whether its one or two NASL team in the area I believe both would have the name San Diego on it, not Chula Vista or North County.
     
  19. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy

    you are a moron, but you are right this time
     
  20. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    you are right about nuclear plant incident but the answer is NO! HELL NO!
     
  21. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    of course I know, but the point was that they were called Aztecs, not aztecos
     
  22. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    proud not to think if thinking means doing it as you do
     
  23. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    I'm sure to 99% of people Bethlehem Steel is know as a major steel manufacturer not a soccer team.
     
  24. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I cannot imagine not using San Diego (unless it's "California" or something). I cannot imagine Chula Vista FC being a thing.
     
  25. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am hoping that both groups are smarter than that.

    I could see Albion being named Albion SB or something like that (southbay).

    However, if they start play as localized names and if the MLS team never materializes then I can see them make a play to the greater san diego area.
     

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