NSR: Acuerdo de paz con las FARC

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  1. Caribe_Soy

    Caribe_Soy Member

    Feb 26, 2016
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    Hola,

    No voy a tratar de convencerles de votar "Sí" o por el "No" en el plebiscito, ni que se abstengan de votar, aunque particularmente pienso que esto último es un acto irresponsable tanto hacia sí mismo como hacia el país, pero no quiero centrarme ahorita en eso.

    Lo que sí quiero es que, sea la que sea la decisión que tomemos, lo hagamos a conciencia y habiendo leído el acuerdo final, el cual lo pueden descargar en:

    https://www.mesadeconversaciones.co..._08_2016acuerdofinalfinalfinal-1472094587.pdf

    Para los que prefieran el audio, aquí está esta lista de reproducción en YouTube con la lectura del acuerdo final:



     
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  2. dapip

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    Hay que votar con una mano en el corazon...

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  3. pepinointer

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    Les recomiendo los resúmenes de la silla vacía . Explican los acuerdos sin tanto lenguaje técnico
     
  4. Caribe_Soy

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    Los resúmenes son buenos para hacerse una idea, pero no dejan de eso, resúmenes. Creo que es mejor "digerir" el texto completo, sin interpretaciones ajenas o sesgos de ningún tipo, cosa que puede pasar en los resúmenes.
     
  5. pepinointer

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    Hay lenguaje técnico que solo pueden leer abogados , que terminan trayendo mala interpretación y confusión .

    Silla vacía es un portal bastante riguroso con dar los datos objetivos . Con un recuento informado de los hechos
     
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  6. crzdcolombian

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    Didn't the government give them land the size of Switerland to make a deal years ago and they didn't stop doing bad shit

    I say kill them all and get international shit for a few years. Red Wedding their asses!! The guerilla won't go away. No one is going to make millions doing illegal shit for 50 years to working your ass off for next to no money. They are terrorist and the country shouldn't make deals with them. They might hide behind a few ideas that sound nice but they are bad people. Escobar built schools and houses for the poor didn't make him a good guy.
     
  7. pepinointer

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    #7 pepinointer, Sep 6, 2016
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    Colombia never have had a agreement reached with FARC before .

    Confuse the last peace conversations in 1999 with a the agreement reached last week verify by the United Nations blue helmets that they delivered Guns It just show ignorance

    why in each post you show ignorance and misinformation ?
     
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  8. crzdcolombian

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    You can't trust those people.

    They want to be their own political party? And want to Jerry rig the vote so that they can get into power? I mean I get it. Colombians just want the whole thing to end its been far too long.

    They will accept some punishment but they lost. They should not get so much out of a deal after fking the country over for years.

    Also how the hell are they going to get 7 thousand people to all agree. Farc will just be broken up into smaller terrorist groups.

    What they are offering to help promote growing other crops is bs. No one making millions on coke will be cool with making 50 bucks growing 50 acres of bananas or what ever other crap they want them
    To grow

    Community service instead of jail time for war crimes?

    It seems like the Colombian government took 4 years to make a deal to get a huge dk shoved hard up their asses

    What about the other terrorist the ELN? They want a deal too?

    Is the government letting FARC keep their kidnap/drug money too?
     
  9. dapip

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    Do you trust government?

    How many third party presidents have been in Colombia?


    Bingo.

    Everyone loses with war.

    What about our current politicians?

    The same way most of the other 45 million people will.


    It is possible, but the guidelines are way better than the accord with the AUC. The AUC actually became smaller bacrims.

    That is why they have subsidies. Effectively most of the money does not get to the lower ranks.


    Precisely. Otherwise there would be no accord.

    How much would you be willing to pay for a peaceful country? How much does war cost?

    If this agreement works, it is possible that they will want to negotiate too.

    Read the text of the accord. They're using that money to remove mines and pay reparations.
     
  10. dapip

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  11. pepinointer

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    The state try to kill them During 50 years and failed. Having The best armies, internacional aid ( direct and indirect from usa ) ....because of The humanitarian law and our blessed georgatphy havent been posibble .

    Yeah and who is going to kill them ? Your family ? My family? No , colombian Soldeirs are farmers and poor people , that surely want to get over this shit.


    Facts is that Colombia had less killed people last year that during the last 50 years , in some places that were always a conflict have been peace recently .

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rc-rebels-reach-final-deal-to-end-52-year-war


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  12. crzdcolombian

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    There really no way to get FARC to hold their end of the bargain.

    You give them no jail time, seats in the government and as you said they could probably breaks up into smaller groups.

    Think it's huge gamble but hopefully they keep their word. Not having to focus so much money into fighting them every year would be great for the country I just don't buy the whole we fought for the poor bullshit they are Narcos and kidnappers.
     
  13. pepinointer

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    They are giving away guns United Nations will verify. That is enough , better than colombians keep dying
     
  14. pepinointer

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  15. sidspaceman

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  16. sidspaceman

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  17. sidspaceman

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  18. dapip

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    Bueno muchachos a votar el domingo.
     
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  19. pepinointer

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    Por trump?
     
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  20. crzdcolombian

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    :( So sad people are having trouble deciding or even have to think about it. Or they are anywhere near the lesser of two evils.

    Any way back on topic. Crazy they signed yesterday and Sunday it gets voted on! That's how shit should work.
     
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  21. Caribe_Soy

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  22. pepinointer

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  23. elviejomen

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    Tienen alguna informacion del grupo politico que va a formar las farc? O todavia no se sabe nada de eso...

    El ELN en caso de que firme la paz supongo que le daran curules tambien no?
     
  24. pepinointer

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    Jajaja Otros 10 de eln mas los 10 del polo que existen en congreso ...Eso si Es castrochavismo
     
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  25. Dominican Lou

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    Even I'm pissed.

    WTF, Colombia?
     
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