Selección de PARAGUAY, Pt. IV (R)

Discussion in 'CONMEBOL' started by Dan-ny-m398, Feb 23, 2011.

  1. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay

    I personally think he was never really been given a fair shot, the fans and the press had been on his case from day one and he has a tendency to troll people and that's fine and dandy if you win, but you can't do that when you lose, he lost 4 very important points in the last 2 minutes of the games against Ecuador and Brazil and those games came down to the bad substitutions he made.

    After the USA game he had no choice but to go, he made too many mistakes in a row that fans had no patience for him, Even I went nuts, and got into a heated argument with him and his son at the stadium and I'm the one who had been defending him from day one, I got to give him props for doing the right thing and leaving and not waiting to get fired to get payed for the rest of his contract.

    Schedule coming up is brutal and it couldn't have come at a worse time, we need to get at least 2 wins out of those matches or things will get complicated for us.
     
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  2. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali

    good to get a little more backstory. At least he stopped calling Fabbro. Good luck!
     
  3. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Ramon is a good coach. The problem is it wasn't him coaching. It was his son. He let his son call the shots...even interviews if you look back at it, Ramon barely gave interviews, it was usually his son doing it. So in reality our coach was Emiliano Diaz not Ramon.

    As far as a new coach. Harrison and the APF don't seem to be really doing anything about getting a new coach. We're a little over a month away from crucial qualifiers and noone seems to be giving a care in the world about getting a new coach. When a reporter asked him about the situation he refused to answer.

    I see yet another failure on the way.
     
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  4. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Looking at how Nacional played in the Libertadores it gives me hope that Rueda can do something with the talent we have.
     
  5. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    LOL Rueda is not even coming. The APF wasted so much time waiting for this guy only for him not to come. We're a month away from the qualifiers and look at the time that was wasted.

    I had hopes for Harrison but he seems more disastrous then Dominguez. Not even Dominguez would have wasted this much time waiting for a coach who might or might not come.
     
  6. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay

    What a mess, now they are talking about CHiqui Arce again, damn it!!
     
  7. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Even worse their also talking about Pepe Cardozo who failed as a coach at Olimpia and accomplished nothing in Mexico with Toluca.

    We might just have the most inept directivos in Conmebol.
     
  8. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    I'll take Cardozo over Chiqui Arce, I'll take Manio ruiz over chiqui, I'll even take Ramon Diaz over chiqui ARce damn it this sucks Harrison is proving to be nothing like his father he is just as inept as Napout and Dominguez.
     
  9. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'm not Chiqui's biggest fan either but he would still be a far better option then Cardozo. Atleast he won the championship with Olimpia and Cerro and is currently doing well with Guarani. He also had a far better record with the NT then either Pelusso or Ramon Diaz.

    Cardozo was a complete disaster at Olimpia, didn't accomplish a thing with Toluca, and hasent even won a game with Jaguares yet. Chiqui is far more experienced then Cardozo.

    Between our current choices I would pick Martino again but it looks like its between Chiqui Arce and Cardozo and in that case I would take Chiqui Arce over Cardozo in a heart beat.
     
  10. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    To me Chiqui Arce is the worst of the worst choices, He's numbers are misleading, He won championships with stacked teams at Cerro and Olimpia and now has a stacked team in Guarani, while Cardozo had average teams in a much more competitive league than the Pyan league.

    Also chiqui is a stubborn asshole with no personality and couldn't motivate anyone to go the extra mile for him, He might be able to get away with his bookworm crap when he has a stacked team and he gets to train with them, day in and day out, but when he has a team just for a couple of days it is just as important to be able to motivate the players than all the stupid crap that he is always trying to get his team to do.

    I'm am a Chiqui Arce hater I'm not gonna lie I can't stand the guy, to me he is the worst choice and I'll take anyone over him, Cardozo, Ramon Diaz anyone but him.
     
  11. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'm willing to give him another chance. He's the best option we had from the choices we had. I'm personally glad it wasn't Reinaldo Rueda. Why bring in a coach who's clueless about our league and our players?

    The reason we have Chiqui Arce now is because the APF decided it was a good idea to wait so long for an average coach like Rueda as if he was some type of Pep Guardiola or something. I honestly rather have Chiqui Arce then Rueda because atleast Chiqui Arce knows the league inside out and knows our players plus I remember hearing nothing but bad things about Rueda from Ecuadorian and Honduran fans so I rather deal with the devil we know then the devil we don't know.
     
  12. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay

    To me that is such a tire old argument "conoce el medio" any coach that is half decent will go over the tapes and with his team in 2 weeks, will know what he is looking for in a player, he doesn't need to know about the player's grandmother and girlfriend to know if he can work in the system he is trying to implement.

    Right now there is no comparison with Chiqui and rueda, Rueda's team just dominated the Libertadores, he coached very different teams to the WC and showed that he can adapt to his team, unlike chiqui that draws a bunch of figures sticks ,on his chalkboard and won't deviate from that.

    "The devil we know" is a loser, that lives in a a fantasy world where you can get Paraguayans to play like Barcelona, "the devil we know" set the pace that left us dead last in the last WCQ and left us out of the WC, that was as close to us as it gets, I despise chiqui arce, I would have taken anyone over him, If I knew Chiqui Arce was going to be called upon again, I would have been Cheering Ramon Diaz telling him It's all good man!! we'll get them next tim!!! during the USA-PY game, Damn this sucks!.
     
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  13. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    So did Ramon's River and yet he was a complete failure with us. Rueda is an average coach who went to the WC because of La Altura and because Concacaf is a shit federation that even I could qualify a team from. Rueda got star struck that Harrison was kissing his ass and treating him like Mourinho. He agreed to coach us then changed his mind and left us hanging. Had Nacional lost he would have took the job because they wouldn't be going to the mundial the clubes...so basically we where plan B for a B coach.

    Again the reason we got Chiqui Arce today is because of Harrison and Rueda. Had Rueda said no from the get go we would have had time to find a better coach.
     
  14. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Pepe Cardozo now crying because he didn't get the job.

    This is the same dude who awhile back said he would rather coach Mexico then us now that he knows he has no chance to do that he wants to coach us. Not to mention how he took Richard Ortiz from Olimpia to Toluca before letting him finish the Libertadores where we made the final.

    The guy is a snake. The hate you have towards Chiqui Arce I have towards Cardozo. Atleast Chiqui Arce won something...Cardozo failed at every coaching job he's had even in the Paraguayan league he failed. I would even take Pelusso back before ever wanting to see Cardozo coach the NT.

    Screw him.
     
  15. dsilva625

    dsilva625 New Member

    Jun 9, 2012
    Boca Raton, FL
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    Thoughts on the roster for the coming games?
     
  16. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    Is about what is expected from chiqui, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for a couple of games then we'll see what's up.

    The one surprise to me was Roque, but in the couple of minutes that he played he looks better than the Pinti alvarez who everyone is calling for this time, we'll see how it goes if we get at least 3 points out of these 2 games, we'll be in good shape, because we got a brutal schedule coming up.
     
  17. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
  18. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I like it. Ofcourse there are players in there that I don't think are NT material like Marcos Riveros, Conejo Benitez, Santander, Junior Alonso, and Candia but overall it's a good list.

    I'm glad to see Chiqui didn't put in players who are not even playing like Iturbe. I do think Iturbe has talent but he needs to go to another club and get playing time before he gets another call up to the NT.

    I'm very happy to see Willy Mendieta and Moreira get well deserved calls. That idiot Ramon would always leave them out despite the great forms they been in. The irony is that Moreira has already become one of the best players in RIVER.

    The part that worries me is the LB position. Samudio is the best we have in that position and he's already far from being any good, now he's hurt and our best choice is Candia who I don't think is NT material but I understand why he was called, because there really is noone else any better. That is definitely our weak point and one I'm sure Chile and Uruguay will exploit.
     
  19. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Lol Pinti Alvarez is the flavor of the month. People are out of their minds if they think he should have been called over Roque.

    Roque may be old but he's still several levels better then Pinti Alvarez and SaSa who everyone keep calling for.

    My biggest surprise was Eric Ramos not being called...lol jk jk :p
     
  20. dsilva625

    dsilva625 New Member

    Jun 9, 2012
    Boca Raton, FL
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    Those 4 points we threw away in the last 2minutes of each game last round are really gonna start hurting if we don't pull some surprises here. Next four games are brutal.

    Need to get 4 from these two matches to stay with the pack. Next round could easily see 1 or 0.
     
  21. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay

    So was Ropero santander , Queso fernandez, Conejo benitez and a bunch of other losers that would score goals against Luqueno, Gral diaz and other clubs fighting relegation, then the press would be crying for them to be on the NT. I been hating on Roque for over a decade but seeing him play in the same league as the Flavor of the months Pinti and others, you can see the difference in talent, if you get 30 good minutes out of roque is better than what others can bring.
     
  22. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay

    Yeah those 4 points really hurt now, I'm hoping for 2-3 points in this round, then we'll see how it goes.
     
  23. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Conejo Benitez is awful. He scored a few goals in Mexico last season but now hasen't done anything. I think the worst part of Chiqui's list was calling him up.

    Tonny Sanabria would have been a much better call up over Conejo.

    Also can anyone tell me what coaches see in Pajaro Benitez? He was pretty good at one point but now he's another one that hasen't really done much. Sure he's very mobile but barely scores, not even in the 2nd rate Mexican club he's in.
     
  24. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Lol Cardozo about to get the boot from Jaguares after being very close to sending them to the 2nd division.

    And to think the APF came close to bringing that failure of a coach to the NT. That guy isn't qualified to coach a barrio team much less any professional team.
     
  25. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Lol people talked soooo much crap about Chiqui Arce. Yet we just not only beat Chile who's supposed to be the best team in Conmebol at the moment but we dominated them and played the best game we played since the 2010 qualifiers.

    The fact that we did such a great job in neutralizing the opponent shows that Chiqui actually did his homework. It wasent a perfect game but it was as close to perfect as you can get. Even Chiqui haters need to tip their hats to him for this one.
     

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