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  1. He only posted the sources that support his allegation of Mo being a pedo, leaving out the contradictory researchers, and being presented with it with his usual reaction of the author/source being an apologist.
    See above.
    "incriminate every muslim as being a pedo": this allegation is used everywhere against Muslims to incriminate them as such, unless you have been blind for it. I didnot say however that DRB300 did so, I said this pedo matter is used as such by others. Problem reading carefully?
    About integrity, is posting about something like that, while leaving out the counter evidence a sign of integrity.
    Put in another way: is a Justice department acting with integrity when they put a person on trial by using only the material that supports their stance and leaving out the evidence that points in the other direction?
    I asked you the question, if DRB300 statement is undeniably true, given other sources with other opinions and not claim he did unfairly portray him as such. I gave you the decision about it with my addition to his quotes. In my question I didnot claim anything you attribute to me in my question to you. Trouble reading carefully?
    I asked you these questions, not claims as you used his statement as a point towards L75
    "Yes it is very likely and very common that 9 year old girls want to have sex with 50 year old men
    When you read this proof of him:
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    You cannot be serious when you post such a ridiculous piece as support for your point. This guy must have a sore thumb sucking this nonsense from it.
     
  2. Narcistic tendencies, need help for it?:rolleyes:
     
  3. JC-14

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    Okay. Please quote the statement from DRB you want me judge for truthfulness. So we can have this over with.
     
  4. You can try as hard as you can to trap me into discussing matters, where I from the set off have made it clear it is about onesidedness. You can use clapp trap like posing as a narcistic megalomaniac to lure me into endless posting that become larger and larger without adding more insight, but you fail. You only resort left is personal attack to get me into discussions I'm not interested in, but you fail. As you fill about 70% of this thread it is hard to find someone else to fill his gaps in balanced posting.
     
  5. As I already posted, I skipped a boatload of posts due to personal circumstances, so I checked DRB300 posting about not him being the one calling Mo a pedo, but curbo, and he's correct. DRB300 calls Mo a child molester.
    http://www.stopitnow.org/resource/d...dophile-child-molestation-research-prevention
    That didnot help much to see much difference between the two in the eyes and the opinion of the public.
     
  6. About the Munich shooter:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ter_is_driving_the_mainstream_media_nuts.html

    But now it’s really getting confusing. As this article from the Mirror, among many others, now reports, Sonboly “reportedly saw it as an ‘honour’ that he had the same birthday as the Nazi leader [Hitler] - April 20,” “was proud to be a German-Iranian ‘Aryan,’” and “felt ‘superior’ to those of either [Turk or Arab] origin.” These discoveries greatly aggravate the already severe disorientation that the MSM has suffered over his motives. It seems that some among them think Sonboly was a neo-Nazi Irano-Aryan acolyte of Breivik – anything, please, but a Muslim.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...r-right-sympathies-and-killings-were-raciall/
     
  7. @JC-14, apology for the reading comments, these were unnecesary.
     
  8. DSC05

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    Okay just a reminder personal attacks aren't cool. It's okay to disagree, but not attack another person's character.
     
  9. JC-14

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    Yes, what DRB said was true. The Quran and Hadith portray Mohammed as the ultimate muslim. The most authentic Hadith say that Mohammed ********ed a 9 year old. So you can still be considered an excellent muslim even after ********ing a 9 year old.
     
  10. I remember you in a post mentioning the difference between the Quran and the Bible being the difference in prophets as examples to follow. You placed Jesus vs Mo as rolemodels from the two Books. While it is true Muslims see Mo as the rolemodel, it isnot derivable from the Books.
    I take back the word "lie", because it is more an inaccuracy.
    First of all the Jews were being considered true believers of Islam up till the point that they rejected the Messiah Jesus. By rejecting Jesus as the false Messiah they were no longer submitting themselves to God.
    All the prophets in the Bible, including the NT, are also prophets for Muslims.
    And so is Jesus.
    ISI believe that the time of Jesus return is at hand and what they are doing is to pave the way for the end battle with satan and his army, in their view the western army.That's also why they desperately long for an invasion from the West, as they see it as the fullfilment of the prophecy.
    In fact, Jesus is paramount for the End of Time scenario of Muslims, as that will only take place when Jesus returns.
    This is an interesting article about it:
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...sis-feel-fine-about-the-end-of-the-world.html
    "
    Evangelicals & ISIS Feel Fine About the End of the World
    End Times prophecies for Evangelical and the Islamic State are eerily similar. God help us if they ever become self-fulfilling."

    Another explanation of the issue:
    https://www.quora.com/What-is-ISILs-aka-ISIS-Islamic-State-view-on-Jesus-Christ

    "Therefore, from an Islamic perspective, the idea that Jesus will come to support a caliphate in Syria is not strange at all, especially to ISIS fighters. Of course, most Muslims today do not accept the caliphate of ISIS as legitimate, so the debate over what will happen before the Day of Judgement is still going on."

    By the way, your peaceful Jesus is as murderous as Mo on Judgement Day in both Books.
     
  11. Orange14

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    It's important to remember that the Book of Revelations states that only 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of the Israelites will be saved on the day of judgement. I'm not a member of the priestly tribe (Levi and those people have surnames of Levi or Cohen) so that takes away a little bit of the odds of me getting to heaven when the day of judgement comes!!!! I have probably have better odds of seeing the Dutch win a WC.
     
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  12. Happy with those odds, the odds of us winning the cup that is. If they were worse than the Judgement Day odds, I need to root for another national team.
     
  13. @Brilliant Dutch: Your support for DT is weird, as he leans on as moronic religious fanatics (The Teaparty) as the ones you despise on the other side of the religious fence. The scary bit with your wish is that then these morons have a finger hoovering over the nuclear button.
    You are fine with that and even the use of it against the Middle East, but DRB300 has argued that that is not a healthy idea some time ago.
     
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  14. DRB300

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    You are a straw man machine. Last sentence demonstrates again you put my words out of context and without nuance that often result in longer writings on my side. Besides, I am an atheist. There is no "your Jesus". However you said: "as you claimed the Quran was all about Mo". I want you to give me the post where I said this. We can take it from there.

    If you are done with that look up the words al-Insān al-Kāmil and uswa hasana.
     
  15. DRB300

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    #1365 DRB300, Aug 9, 2016
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    2 different words with different meanings. The fact you thought I said that is just indicative how inaccurate you work when attributing claims to me. The fact you did not go after the people actually claiming he is a pede, rather the person setting the record straight is also telling.
     
  16. DRB300

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    You have changed your whole posting style for 1 person. You don't even takje positions anymore so I can see where you stand.
     
  17. curbo

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    Funny how a small rant and calling a full grown man who had sex with a 9 year old a pedo lead to discussion. I usually call full grown men who have sex with 9 year olds pedo tbh, I guess im the only one here. I didnt make an exception for mister Moh. Over the definition of when one is a pedophile or not, as far as I know it is not set in stone. Not something I exactly want to spend time googling to figure out the different criteria's..

    But this is how I use the word as do most.
    ''Also arguing for behavioral criteria in defining pedophilia, Howard E. Barbaree and Michael C. Seto disagreed with the American Psychiatric Association's approach in 1997 and instead recommended the use of actions as the sole criterion for the diagnosis of pedophilia, as a means of taxonomic simplification''
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Debate_regarding_criteria

    I would say that there are not 2 billion Christians, I would say that just feeling like one or self-definining yourself as one is not ground enough to be defined as Christian. Or Moslim, or Jew. Their own scripture certainly doesnt seem to say so. Religion as ''just'' an emotional feeling and some traditions should be seperated from actual believers. The ones who genuinely believe in scripture, God, Jezus, Mohammed, Moses, the beliefs or value's from the holy scripture of their choice. Doenst have to be all of that in the scripture (not even possible). But a distiction should be made.

    I fear that the discussion would go about the definition of mental illness, and im not sure I would be technically right.. but for example
    Take what a genuine religious believer would believe in, does that make sense?
    Religion gets a pass somehow for all the beliefs which make no sense, and people who genuinely believe in nonsense beliefs get a pass if its a religion.
    A person who has alot of nonsense genuine beliefs and acts on them, and its NOT a religion, usually gets some help right? If a person has to dance to micheal jacksons thriller 5 times a day, spaced out over the day, facing California, because otherwise he believes the spirit of MJacksons is coming to haunt him in life and for eternity when he dies.. I would say that person is mentally ill and could do with some help.

    But if you do not consider people who genuinely believe these things mentally ill in some way or another, then yeah religious terrorists are not either obviously. Plenty of justification for violence, holy war and intolerance in these scriptures.
     
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  18. DRB300

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    #1368 DRB300, Aug 9, 2016
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    Wrong. This is again an example how biased you post. You left out the other part of that picture and I have the strongest evidence on the age of consummation of marriage at my side. I post my opinions here and present prove for my claims, you want to change the whole dynamic of this message board to some kind of online course on the matter? Silly. You post apologist stuff with weak counters. Laughable stuff, bad articles from leftist newspaper with no standing in the Muslim world, I posted claims from a Grand Mufti. So you must have a sore thumb from sucking nonsense from it. Your double standard is for all to see as you dismiss info from a Grand Mufti, but Myriam Francois-Cerrah (lol) is who we should listen to? :laugh:
     
  19. DRB300

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    This is an excellent new rule. From now on I will report every post from FSF where he does just that. I hope we can also start to let that have consequences.
     
  20. DRB300

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    But wait a minute. What is YOUR position. Post your claim right now.
     
  21. DRB300

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    But how do you defend the claim that Christians (whatever the size of that group may be) simply do not believe anymore?


    Interesting. Let me get this right. Do you think that all people that genuinely use faith are on some level mentally ill? How big is this group according to you looking at the world population?

    Yes, this is the point I tried to get across. In fact, you can not explain behavior from example Isis without looking at the sources within Islam. It is "an" interpretation, but it is there.

    Link
     
  22. Does the difference matter in the eyes of the public, concerning the act against the girl at hand? Not so long ago I was attacked by a certain person for discussing by way of definitions, which he called the lowest form of discussing.:rolleyes:
     
  23. DRB300

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    :D Not the issue. You put words in my mouth that I did not use. I can not even understand how you mixed me up with another poster as the words are so so different. Second my stand on its own post is what it was about in this conversation and was about the timeless character of the Quran in relation to this topic, Laurent got that you did not. Thirdly the context shows you are highly occupied with, which I can understand, but you clearly enter the realm obsessive. I now know I am almost the only thing that matters to you.
     
  24. I wasnot claiming that you follow Jesus. I referred to the distiction you made between the "peaceful" Jesus and the "war criminal" Mo.
    First I didnot dismiss the info, I added to it other opinions. Second, I specially quoted the part, that is so hilarious, that you start wondering how trustworthy can the rest be.
    Third he has no info, other than hear say, as it was "gathered" about 150 years later by listening to people he thinks are trustworthy on the matters. Still no info, but hearsay. No documents from the time itself while the Quran was being written down piece by piece during that time. This whole thing however rests on oral passing on of all the things it tackles, including the age.
    You want me to take a position? While I show there are different views on the matter and neither can claim without a doubt to be right. I donot know who is right. And I'm not going to take a stance, because I want Mo to be seen in a certain manner, positive or negative. That's your domain. I asked JC-14, given both stances, which he thinks to be true and he made a choice. That's his prerogative. I cannot, given the lack of real documents. Hearsay isnot good enough for me, but the other side has deducted their conclusions from interpreting other, I guess oral, sources, so not good enough for me either.
    You want everything turned into black or white, take a stance, whether the info is sufficient or not.
    When you havenot got solid documents, and you take stance, then you believe something to be true.....just like those believing in the world is about 6000 years old and the rest.
     
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  25. Well, the BoR isnot part of the Thorah, so you are safe or should I say "saved"?:cool:
     

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