NSR Netherlands: Current events (in the world).

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  1. Found something to please the ... atheists:
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    Wonder if it refuses to play Ben Hur, etc.

    The major operation on my friend went well, so now it is about her recovery.
    Big releave to me. Now I can turn my attention to my postponed tax forms (really looking forward to it:rolleyes:), and doing household chores I neglegted too.
     
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  2. JC-14

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  3. curbo

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  4. curbo

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    #1279 curbo, Aug 6, 2016
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    I despise '''religion'', please dont make me seemingly defend it in an attempt to be accurate because you say something that is overgeneralisationist i guess (if thats a word, or just prematuringlyblaming). Unless you know more than me, we dont know shit about this guy at all.
     
  5. JC-14

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    You doubt that the man had an Islamic motivation?
     
  6. curbo

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    I dont know anything about him or why he did it. Thats all Im saying, and there is no evidence yet as far as I know to give reason as to why he did this. So yes, there is no information, so i DOUBT. I will try to not just jump at conclusions.

    I will gladly reiiterate again, i despise religion, but i also see trends which does not have to do with religion however awful it can be, not saying this is such a case, i dont know anything about him or why he did this.

    When a celebrity commits suicide, then suicide rates go up in teh countries that celebrity was famous. There IS (ha) a hype to it, an attention to it which causes people who otherwise wouldnt do shit like that to do it. I do think this is simular to what we have to know here with terrorism. A part is just hype, just media, just attention. The insanity and immorallity of islam/christianity/judiasm is not the main(only) feature, imo. (No reason to ever stop critising those messed up religions though.)
     
  7. JC-14

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    According to police he shouted allahu akbar. What more information do you need?

    Clearly the religion is not the only factor, otherwise all muslims would be terrorists. But Islam certainly is a catalyst and provides justification for despicable acts.
     
  8. curbo

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    Agree.
    The information that I need is why he did this(even just in his own words?). I am not at all saying that Islam playes no role, I am just saying I have no idea as to what reasons caused him to do this. And as far as I know, nobody does yet.
     
  9. Orange14

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    During the late stages of the Vietnam war, there were on average 1000 bombings a year in the United States. These were largely set off by domestic protesters/terrorists and there were fatalities though I don't know how many. this was over about an eight year period. Religion was not a factor as it is in the Islamic terror attacks.
     
  10. Laurent75

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    Aug 2, 2014
    Low IQ/ mental troubles + poor social class

    Islam can be a motivator indeed, but definitly not the cause. Isolated attacks on civils have always existed during wars and they're almost always carried by poor marginals who feels victims.

    If the belief in Islam and the Quran was the main cause, then you would see those rich saudis and emiratis making terrorist attacks as well, but they won't since they're living comfortable and don't feel victims of the "war" between muslims and others, which is social and economical more than religious once again.
     
  11. Brilliant Dutch

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    Wrong!!!!
     
  12. JC-14

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    I've never heard of this before. Where can I read more?

    Of course it can be the cause. The Quran and hadith explicitly call for Jihad and violence against non muslims.

    SA and UAE are muslim states with Sharia in place. Last month in secular Bangladesh though, 5 educated, wealthy muslims murdered 22 civilians and 2 police officers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2016_Dhaka_attack

     
  13. Orange14

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    Regarding the US "terrorist" bombings during the Vietnam era, I first heard the statistic of 1000 bombings a year (1972-74) in an interview with the legal writer Jeffery Toobin who has just written a book on the kidnapping of Patty Hearst: http://www.npr.org/2016/08/03/48837...an-heiress-revisits-patty-hearst-s-kidnapping She is the granddaughter of the famous US newspaperman, William Randolph Hearst and was kidnapped by a small outlaw group called the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA). I was in graduate school at the time and one of my colleagues was friends with two of the kidnappers. The FBI was at his door within 24 hours of the kidnapping asking about their whereabouts (he had not had any contact with them in over two years).

    I was surprised by the number Toobin mentioned but imagine it came from FBI statistics. The Weather Underground was the most prominent anti-war group. Statistics are here: http://www.wsj.com/articles/patty-hearst-and-the-era-of-televised-terror-1469806518
     
  14. Brilliant Dutch

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    #1289 Brilliant Dutch, Aug 7, 2016
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  15. Brilliant Dutch

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    I'm rooting for Mexico in the olympic high jump and pole vault. They'll need it when Trump becomes President
     
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  16. curbo

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    rofl
     
  17. DRB300

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    GOLD. Damn time. Game on. Van Vleuten seems to be ok according to the latest info.
     
  18. DRB300

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    This is a good video on Isis and the Isis attacks in Europe. They give 6 specific reasons why they attack:

     
  19. Orange14

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    What a great race that was. American holds the lead right after the crash and then gets caught in the last 200 meters.
     
  20. curbo

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    Kinda shitty though right. You can make those arguments about christian beliefs, the only difference i see is that christians dont believe anymore, Muslims do. I think this is the real problen.

    The insaneness, immoral and crazy shit that is basing your morality,thoughts,truths apon a book or con-artist organisation.. We have to make fcking fun of them right? Its hilarious as much as it is incredibly scary.

    But yeah, Mohammed was a pedophile, and as I mentioned earlier I want to make a joke about religious charecters, a very basic freedom of speech thingie. But I wont do so about Mohammed because just like himself, his clearly mentally ill followers are willing to kill me if I were to do such a thing.
     
  21. Laurent75

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    Aug 2, 2014
    Fair enough, you have the point for this one.

    But almost every attack in the western world is made by poor uneducated people who have none or small links with big muslim terrorist organizations.
     
  22. Laurent75

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    Aug 2, 2014
    There was absolutly nothing wrong about loving children back in the time.

    In France the age of consent was 11 until 1945. And this age has been fixed and decided in 1832, which means there were cases with younger children before so they had to put a limit. Was probably the same, if not "worse" in the other western countries, since France always tended to be the precurson in terms of moral laws.

    A pedophile is a person that is ONLY attracted by children, Muhammad's first wife Khadija was older than him.
    Marrying Aicha was a political alliance and there were a lot in the western world before too. A lot of french kings were marrying princesses as young as 12. Ok they were younger than Muhammad, but still, it shows it was normal before.

    The western cristicsm is abusing of the argument "Muhammad was a pedophile", it's absolutly rubbish, I'm sure that people of the future centuries will mock the age difference between Trump and his wife now, calling him an old pervert or whatever.
     
  23. DRB300

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    Out of 2 billion Christians you don't think some believe anymore? Or even a lot?

    Rather a child molester. Is a bit different from pedo.

    They are not mentally ill:

    Attacks across Europe: ‘Terrorists are not mentally ill’

    Why do you think they are mentally ill? What proof do you have?
     
  24. DRB300

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    If you take that road, the next problem arises. [​IMG]

    Is the Quran according to Muslims a book for all time? A guidance for morality for all time? Many will say yes and in the Quran Mo is upheld as an excellent example. So via this verse, ********ing 9 year old still allows you to be an excellent Muslim. That is the problem.
     
  25. curbo

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    Putting it in the context of the time he lived in, you are right. Buddy you are completely missing the big big point. A religion is made out/from/with of him, this religion says he is holy and pewpewpew awesome and infallable. How dare you limit him to the context of when/where he lived, this should get you killed according to that religion if you want, Moh' is a messenger from god, you know, indirectly. Indirectly indirectly. And only he can hear Gabriel who hears God and stuff, because that makes sense right, but you just gotta trust him.

    Im not great at discussing literally insane shit, but I do want to make fun of them at the least. And I think you agree with me on that right?
     

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