QF Match 25: USA-ECU - ROLDAN (COL)

Discussion in 'Copa América 2016 - Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 16, 2016.

  1. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I thought for a second the got to stay on due to that. That's not gonna reflect well on Roldan's performance in this match.
     
  2. oxwof

    oxwof Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Definitely orange from the replay angle I saw.
     
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  3. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    Yep.
     
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  4. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Were the appeals for offsides for the first ball on Wood? Because Zardes was clearly behind the shot leading to the goal.
     
  5. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    It's a red in my game, but I don't do many international matches.
     
  6. smitha96

    smitha96 Member

    Jul 11, 2010
    EXACTLY
     
  7. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Bedoya, Jones, and Wood are out. I guess people who want Nagbe and Pulisic are going to get their wish.
     
  8. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Ecaudor #11 being on the field is a very weird inconsistency.
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given the amount of cards this half I'd think that intentional handling by Ecuador #13 could draw a yellow..
     
  10. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    My thought as well.
     
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  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ecuador's coach dismissed. Few minutes later cameras catch him standing behind the bench.
     
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  12. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Overall an ok performance. 1st half wasn't tight enough, which led to a tight (and colorful) 2nd half. Probably could have avoided some cards with better management earlier on.
     
  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you ignore restarting the game with Jones still on the field and the Ecuadorian coach not leaving the field...
     
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  14. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Good points!
     
  15. FL.lurker

    FL.lurker Member

    Feb 2, 2016
    He sent off Jones, so he's my favorite referee, but if there wasn't a red going the other way does he decide that's "negligible force?" How much lighter could it have been and still be contact?
     
  16. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Wood yellow befuddles me since the ball was never in play.
     
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  17. Boots_McCoy

    Boots_McCoy Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Does it really fricken matter?!?

    For all we know there wasn't a safe way to move the manager from Point A to B. Referee should have waited for him to be removed anyways.


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  18. chaoslord08

    chaoslord08 Member

    Dec 24, 2006
    Fayetteville AR
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #43 chaoslord08, Jun 16, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2016
    Agree about Jones but isn't the coach on match administration at that point? Coach was walking away after the ref told him to leave, ref goes back to doing the game. Someone, the match commissioner probably, should have been in charge of walking the coach to the back shouldn't they?

    Edit: thinking about it every red card in the Euros when they have shown the players walking back down the tunnel I feel like there was a suit waking them back. If I am not misremembering, add that to another difference between the Copa and the Euros!
     
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  19. Boots_McCoy

    Boots_McCoy Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Did it change the outcome of the game?

    Move on.


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  20. BTFOOM

    BTFOOM Member+

    Apr 5, 2004
    MD, USA
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    So, JJ makes a dumb play, but NOT contact with the player's face (watch the replays). Gets red, but if he doesn't make contact, how is that a RED?

    Second, if he is still on the field, how is re-start allowed, foul/YC to Wood, but then ref says "My Bad", brings ball back to initial foul?

    To me there are 2 places where the US can protest - both the red to JJ and the yellow to Wood.

    By the way, to those who say JJ should get a red because what he did was stupid, please show me where 'stupidity' is a card-able offense. Which law? He should have stayed out, but he didn't do what was expressly forbidden - make contact with face when not involved with play. Dumb, yes. RC, no. Stop MSU!!!!
     
  21. BTFOOM

    BTFOOM Member+

    Apr 5, 2004
    MD, USA
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Ummmmm, yes, it did.

    If the ref stops play, as he should, there is no foul by Wood, hence no YC.


    So, do NOT move on, make the right call.
     
  22. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    you can still have misconduct without the ball being in play. But since the misconduct doesn't happen if he doesn't mistakenly allow play to restart... It's also possible that he retracted the caution and no one else knew it.
     
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  23. bothways

    bothways Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    BTFOOM,
    You suck, because you beat me to the punch.
    Wood's card can be appealed
    Can you imagine if that was his second yellow!
    Personally roldan might have f....ed himself over tonight
    Not making sure jones leaves... In fact his whole crew is f...Ed
    He should have rescinded the yellow to wood because he had not restarted correctly
    The dangerous play should have been red....Given the temperature of the game
    Why throw the coach out... Zardes dives to get the foul... Of course he is pissed. But kinsman is just as petulant
     
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  24. chaoslord08

    chaoslord08 Member

    Dec 24, 2006
    Fayetteville AR
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone threw a water bottle on the field and the 4th (I'm assuming because the referee came over and was looking at the 4th while pointing at the coach in a manner that read to me as saying "him?") identified the coach as the perp. That's a gimme.
     
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  25. oxwof

    oxwof Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    But if the referee's report says he struck him, then that's what happened as far as Law 5 and protests go.
     
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