Historic World Wide Balon d'Or 23 player short lists

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Tom Stevens, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Just checking it was a deliberate omission !
     
  2. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Hellstrom, Cabrini, Nelinho, and Causio slipped past me.
     
  3. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Worth investigating is Zico in 1979. It's possibly underrated in SAPOTY. He got 'punished' for his red card in the 1979 Copa America.

    It was the most prolific year of his career (not because of penalties btw), with 65 goals in 51 games. Second highest of his career was 44 goals. Although he wasn't included in the Placar 'all star team', he was the 5th best rated 'Ponta de Lanca'. Unlike 1977 showed it all levels and not only within his own league (= triangulation). Had 5 goals in 5 games for Brazil, including a 2-1 win performance with a goal and assist against Argentina in Copa America. Also played for the 'World XI' where he had a goal and assist again.

    http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads...id-keegan-win-it.2024642/page-2#post-33376721

    I'm merely paying attention to it....
     
  4. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    1979

    Alonso, Norberto (River Plate, Argentina)
    Ardiles, Osvaldo (Tottenham, Argentina)
    Baresi, Franco (AC Milan)
    Brady, Liam (Arsenal, Ireland)
    Caszely, Carlos (Colo-Colo, Chile)
    Dalglish, Kenny (Liverpool, Scotland)
    Falcão (Internacional, Brazil)
    Figueroa, Elias ( Palestino, Chile)
    Júnior (Flamengo, Brazil)
    Kaltz, Manfred (Hamburg, Germany)
    Keegan, Kevin (Hamburg, England)
    Krankl, Hans (Barcelona, Austria)
    Krol, Ruud (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Maradona, Diego (Argentinos Juniors, Argentina)
    Passarella, Daniel (River Plate, Argentina)
    Roberto Dinamite (Vasco da Gama, Brazil)
    Robertson, John (Nottingham Forest, Scotland)
    Romero, Julio César (Sportivo Luqueño, Paraguay)
    Rummenigge, Karl-Heinz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Shilton, Peter (Nottingham Forest, England)
    Sócrates (Corinthians, Brazil)
    Stielike, Uli (Real Madrid, Germany)
    Zico (Flamengo, Brazil)

    Honorable Mention: Andrade, Tita, Carpegiani, Amaral, Batista, Mauro Galvão, Mário Sérgio, Zenon, Nelinho, Joãozinho, Jorge Mendonça, Ubaldo Fillol, Juan Jose López, Leopoldo Luque, Ramón Díaz, Eugenio Morel, Hugo Talavera, Enrique Villalba, Evaristo Isasi, Graeme Souness, Viv Anderson, Klaus Fischer, Karlheinz Förster, Klaus Allofs, Allan Simonsen, Quini, Pirri, Fulvio Collovati, Safet Sušić, Michel Platini, Bruno Pezzey, Herbert Prohaska, Zbigniew Boniek, Grzegorz Lato, François Van Der Elst, Marián Masný, Zdeněk Nehoda, Ronnie Hellström

    The top three seemed to have five good candidates this year. Keegan and Maradona most will probably agree with. Falcao over Zico and Daglish might be somewhat controversial. Falcao led Internacional to another Brazilian Championship and earned the highest rating ever given the in BC winning Bola de Oro. This year was the first in a while that the top 23 did not seem as crowded.
     
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  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Can I ask what you think Zico could/should have done more for this specific year? Where is a gap, other than the red card in the Copa America?

    In the Brasileiro 96 teams competed in the first group stage. Zico only played a couple of games there and scored one goal. If he had played more games here against pub teams then his scoring record had appeared even more impressive! At the second group stage he played all three games, and scored in all three games. He scored 4 goals (1PK), and even that penalty was earned by himself. It's not his fault that the defense lets in 4 goals in the crucial match imho (nor his playing style, to help in defense or organize midfield without ball). That defeat made his team miss the semi finals.

    It's his personal best year in terms of scoring, and he delivered at all levels, also internationally. As some observers (layman/experts) sometimes felt it was 'easier' in the Brazilian league (hinted at by Flamengo manager Carlos Alberto); whatever may be true and untrue of that, it is for this year countered by delivering internationally for club and country. League, national team, and the big opponents (with very few exceptions). Of course, for the statistics it 'helps' to play for Flamengo (with other all-stars as Junior etc.) and state-of-the-art Brazil.
     
  6. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Should include Tigana.
     
  7. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Revised Lists 70s

    1970

    Albertosi, Enrico (Caligiari, Italy)
    Ancheta, Atilio (Nacional, Uruguay)
    Ball, Alan (Everton, England)
    Banks, Gordon (Stoke City, England)
    Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Clodoaldo (Santos, Brazil)
    Cruyff, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Cubillas, Teófilo (Alianza Lima, Peru)
    Džajić, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia)
    Gerson (Sao Paulo, Brazil)
    Israël, Rinus (Feyenoord, Netherlands)
    Jairzinho (Botafogo, Brazil)
    Johnstone, Jimmy (Celtic, Scotland)
    Mazurkiewicz, Ladislao (Penarol, Uruguay)
    Moore, Bobby (West Ham, England)
    Müller, Gerd (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Overath, Wolgang (Klon, Germany)
    Pele (Santos, Brazil)
    Riva, Gigi (Caligiari, Italy)
    Rivellino (Corinthians, Brazil)
    Torres, Carlos Alberto (Santos, Brazil)
    Tostão (Cruzeiro, Brazil)
    van Hanegem, Wim (Feyenoord, Netherlands)

    1. Jairzinho
    2. Gerd Muller
    3. Tostao
    4. Pele
    5. Gerson
    6. Gigi Riva
    7. Wim van Hanegem

    1971

    Ancheta, Atilio (Nacional, Uruguay)
    Artime, Luis (Nacional)
    Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland)
    Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Bianchi, Carlos (Vélez Sarsfield, Argentina)
    Boninsegna, Roberto (Internazionale, Italy)
    Bremner, Billy (Leeds United, Scotland)
    Cruyff, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Cubillas, Teófilo (Alianza Lima, Peru)
    Džajić, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia)
    Keizer, Piet (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Lima, Paulo Cézar (Botafogo, Brazil)
    Lopez, Direcu (Cruziero)
    Maravilha, Dadá (Atletico Mineiro, Brazil)
    Mazzola, Sandro (Internazionale, Italy)
    Morales, Julio César (Nacional, Uruguay)
    Netzer, Günter (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)
    Pastoriza, José Omar (Independiente, Argentina)
    Rivelino (Corinthians, Brazil)
    Sotil, Hugo (Deportivo Municipal, Peru)
    Skoblar, Josip (Marseille)
    van Hanegem, Wim (Feyenoord, Netherlands)
    Vogts, Berti (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)

    1. Johan Cruyff
    2. Luis Artime
    3. George Best

    1972

    Ayala, Rubén (San Lorenzo, Argentina)
    Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Blankenburg, Horst (Ajax)
    Breitner, Paul (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Brindisi, Miguel Ángel (Huracan, Argentina)
    Chumpitaz, Héctor (Universitario, Peru)
    Cruyff, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Cubillas, Teófilo (Alianza Lima, Peru)
    da Guia, Ademir (Palmieras)
    Deyna, Kazimierz (Legia Warsaw, Poland)
    Džajić, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia)
    Figueroa, Elias (Internacional)
    Gadocha, Robert (Legia Warsaw, Poland)
    Johnstone, Jimmy (Celtic, Scotland)
    Keizer, Piet (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Jairzinho (Botafogo, Brazil)
    McFarland, Roy (Derby County, England)
    Müller, Gerd (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Neeskens, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Netzer, Günter (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)
    Pereira, Luís (Palmieras)
    Riva, Gigi (Caligiari, Italy)
    Rocha, Pedro (Sao Paulo)

    1. Johan Cruyff
    2. Günter Netzer
    3. Gerd Muller
    4. Franz Beckenbauer

    1973

    Ancheta, Atilio (Gremio)
    Babington, Carlos (Huracan, Argentina)
    Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Blankenburg, Horst (Ajax)
    Brindisi, Miguel Ángel (Huracan, Argentina)
    Caszely, Carlos (Colo-Colo, Chile)
    Cruyff, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands)
    da Guia, Ademir (Palmieras)
    Deyna, Kazimierz ( Legia Warsaw, Poland)
    Haan, Arie (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Heynckes, Jupp (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)
    Krol, Ruud (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Marinho Chagas (Botafogo, Brazil)
    Müller, Gerd (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Neeskens, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Netzer, Günter (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)
    Pele (Santos)
    Pereira, Luís (Palmieras, Brazil)
    Riva, Gigi (Caligiari, Italy)
    Rivera, Gianni (AC Milan, Italy)
    Tomaszewski, Jan (ŁKS Łódź, Poland)
    Valdés, Francisco (Colo-Colo, Chile)
    Zoff, Dino (Juventus, Italy)

    1. Johan Cruyff
    2. Gerd Muller
    3. Miguel Ángel Brindisi

    1974

    Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Bremner, Billy (Leeds United, Scotland)
    Breitner, Paul (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Bochini, Ricardo (Independiente, Argentina)
    Cruyff, Johan (Barcelona, Netherlands)
    Deyna, Kazimierz (Legia Warsaw, Poland)
    Gadocha, Robert (Legia Warsaw, Poland)
    Edström, Ralf (PSV Eindhoven, Sweden)
    Figueroa, Elias (Internacional, Chile)
    Krol, Ruud (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Lato, Grzegorz (Stal Mielec, Poland)
    Maier, Sepp (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Marinho Chagas (Botafogo, Brazil)
    Müller, Gerd (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Neeskens, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Pereira, Luís (Palmieras, Brazil)
    Rensenbrink, Rob (Anderlecht, Netherlands)
    Rivelino (Corinthians, Brazil)
    Roberto Dinamite (Vasco da Gama)
    Sotil, Hugo (Barcelona)
    van Hanegem, Wim (Feyenoord, Netherlands)
    Vogts, Berti (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)
    Zico (Flamengo)

    1. Johan Cruyff
    2. Franz Beckenbauer
    3. Kazimierz Denya
    4. Grzegorz Lato
    5. Zico

    1975

    Alonso, Norberto (River Plate)
    Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Blokhin, Oleg (Dynamo Kyiv, Soviet Union)
    Bremner, Billy (Leeds United, Scotland)
    Chumpitaz, Héctor (Universitario, Peru)
    Cruyff, Johan (Barcelona, Netherlands)
    Cubillas, Teófilo (Porto, Peru)
    Figueroa, Elias (Internacional)
    Fillol, Ubaldo (River Plate)
    Geels, Ruud (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Heynckes, Jupp (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)
    Lato, Grzegorz (Stal Mielec, Poland)
    Maier, Sepp (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Morena, Fernando (Penarol, Uruguay)
    Nelinho (Cruziero, Brazil)
    Netzer, Günter (Real Madrid, Germany)
    Piazza, Osvaldo (Saint-Étienne)
    Rivellino (Fluminense)
    Scotta, Hector (San Lorenzo)
    Simonsen, Allan (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Denmark)
    Vogts, Berti (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)
    Zico (Flamengo)
    Zoff, Dino (Juventus, Italy)

    1. Elias Figueroa
    2. Oleg Blokhin
    3. Norberto Alonso

    1976

    Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Bonhof, Rainer (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)
    Cruyff, Johan (Barcelona, Netherlands)
    Ćurković, Ivan (Saint-Étienne)
    Džajić, Dragan (Bastia, Yugoslavia)
    Figueroa, Elias (Internacional)
    Gallego, Américo (Newell's Old Boys, Argentina)
    Gatti, Hugo (Boca Junior, Argentina)
    Gil (Fluminense, Brazil)
    Jairzinho (Cruziero)
    Keegan, Kevin (Liverpool, England)
    Kempes, Mario (Huracan, Argentina)
    Neeskens, Johan (Barcelona, Netherlands)
    Nelinho (Cruziero, Brazil)
    Ondruš, Anton (Slovan Bratislava, Czechoslovakia)
    Passarella, Daniel (River Plate, Argentina)
    Platini, Michele (Nancy, France)
    Piazza, Osvaldo (Saint-Étienne, Argentina)
    Pirri (Real Madrid, Spain)
    Rensenbrink, Rob (Anderlecht, Netherlands)
    Rivellino (Fluminense, Brazil)
    Viktor, Ivo (Dukla Prague, Czechoslovakia)
    Zico (Flamengo, Brazil)

    1. Elias Figueroa
    2. Rivellino
    3. Franz Beckenbauer
    4. Rob Rensenbrink

    1977

    Bertoni, Daniel (Independiente, Argentina)
    Bettega, Roberto (Juventus, Italy)
    Bochini, Ricardo (Independiente, Argentina)
    Cerezo, Toninho (Atletico Mineiro, Brazil)
    Cruyff, Johan (Barcelona, Netherlands)
    Cubillas, Teófilo (Alianza Lima, Peru)
    Fillol, Ubaldo (River Plate, Argentina)
    Fischer, Klaus (Schalke, Germany)
    Gatti, Hugo (Boca Junior, Argentina)
    Keegan, Kevin (Liverpool, England)
    Kempes, Mario (Valencia)
    Lato, Grzegorz (Stal Mielec, Poland)
    Passarella, Daniel (River Plate, Argentina)
    Pereira, Luis (Atletico Madrid, Brazil)
    Platini, Michele (Nancy, France)
    Reinaldo (Atletico Mineiro, Brazil)
    Rensenbrink, Rob (Anderlecht, Netherlands)
    Roberto Dinamite (Vasco da Gama, Brazil)
    Simonsen, Allan (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Denmark)
    Velasquez, Jose (Alianza Lima, Peru)
    Velasquez, Jose (Alianza Lima, Peru)
    Zico (Flamengo, Brazil)
    Zoff, Dino (Juventus, Italy)

    1. Reinaldo
    2. Kevin Keegan
    3. Johan Cruyff
    4. Allan Simonsen
    5. Roberto Bettega

    1978

    Ardiles, Osvaldo (Huracán, Argentina)
    Bertoni, Daniel (Independiente, Argentina)
    Bettega, Roberto (Juventus, Italy)
    Cubillas, Teófilo (Alianza Lima, Peru)
    Dalglish, Kenny (Liverpool, Scotland)
    Deyna, Kazimierz (Legia Warsaw, Poland)
    Dirceu (Vasco da Gama, Brazil)
    Falcão (Internacional, Brazil)
    Fillol, Ubaldo (River Plate, Argentina)
    Haan, Arie (Anderlecht, Netherlands)
    Kempes, Mario (Valencia, Argentina)
    Krankl, Hans (Rapid Vienna, Austria)
    Krol, Ruud (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Passarella, Daniel (River Plate, Argentina)
    Prohaska, Herbert (Austria Vienna, Austria)
    Rensenbrink, Rob (Anderlecht, Netherlands)
    Rep, Johnny (Batista, Netherlands)
    Roberto Dinamite (Vasco da Gama, Brazil)
    Rossi, Paolo (Vicenza, Italy)
    Scirea, Gaetano (Juventus, Italy)
    Shilton, Peter (Nottingham Forest, England)
    van de Kerkhof, René (PSV, Netherlands)
    Vogts, Berti (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany)

    1979

    Alonso, Norberto (River Plate, Argentina)
    Baresi, Franco (AC Milan)
    Brady, Liam (Arsenal, Ireland)
    Caszely, Carlos (Colo-Colo, Chile)
    Dalglish, Kenny (Liverpool, Scotland)
    Dalglish, Kenny (Liverpool, Scotland)
    Figueroa, Elias ( Palestino, Chile)
    Fillol, Ubaldo (River Plate, Argentina)
    Júnior (Flamengo, Brazil)
    Kaltz, Manfred (Hamburg, Germany)
    Keegan, Kevin (Hamburg, England)
    Krankl, Hans (Barcelona, Austria)
    Krol, Ruud (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Maradona, Diego (Argentinos Juniors, Argentina)
    Passarella, Daniel (River Plate, Argentina)
    Roberto Dinamite (Vasco da Gama, Brazil)
    Robertson, John (Nottingham Forest, Scotland)
    Romero, Julio César (Sportivo Luqueño, Paraguay)
    Rummenigge, Karl-Heinz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Shilton, Peter (Nottingham Forest, England)
    Sócrates (Corinthians, Brazil)
    Stielike, Uli (Real Madrid, Germany)
    Zico (Flamengo, Brazil)

    1. Diego Maradona
    2. Kevin Keegan
    3. Zico
    4. Falcao
    5. Kenny Daglish
     
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  8. Raute

    Raute Member

    Jun 9, 2015
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Franco Baresi in 1979? Is it too early? I guess Platini is better candidate. Also I'm surprised you miss Trevor Francis & Laurie Cunningham even as HM.
     
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  9. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    1978 ranking

    1. Mario Kempes
    2. Rob Rensenbrink
    3. Paulo Rossi
    4. Daniel Passarella
    5. Ruud Krol.
     
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  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Reinaldo over Keegan is a boldish call imho. Reinaldo gets a free pass for the rest by virtue of scoring big in the Brazilian league (especially national, less so at state level)? (cf. other strikers as Jimmy Greaves in their own league)
    http://people.ufpr.br/~mmsabino/sstatistics/reinaldo.html

    It's also somewhat inflated by scoring 5 goals, 3 goals and another 3 goals against lower level teams as Fast Club, and as the Zico case in 1979 shows, it was common that the 'stars' didn't play all games. Talking about that: Reinaldo didn't play the final match (another things that makes it understandable a few people remember Cerezo more).

    Keegan was successful at all levels, delivered at all levels; both individually and as a team (except for FA Cup, he won almost everything). Reinaldo has an excuse for the limited national team appearances and performances, but so has every star player who doesn't happen to play for Brazil. It may sound harsh but I don't mean it that way.

    I somewhat agree though with the lofty standing for Figueroa - that he's in the discussion for podium and #1 at least. As I once discussed with Vegan10 (and agreed), he was in the conversation by the worldwide press and observers.

    (I don't fully agree with the entire quoted section, but certainly that Figueroa was in the top circle)
     
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  11. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Good to see John Robertson in there, when ever any players from that era talk about him is is always so highly regarded as the player that made the differnce, I also think he had a good shout in 1980 too. Re other players comments, there is lots on the very good documentary called "I beleive in Miracles", some great footage and interviews of the Forest players that won got promoted and then won the League Championship and two European Cups.
     
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  12. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Seem to have Velasquez twice in 77 and Keegan twice in 79.
     
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  13. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I was just leaving Tom to his own devices really on this one (and can understand 78/79 over 77/78 in a way) but my impression is if anything from an individual perspective the 77/78 Championship winning season might have been his best. Just a theory but maybe that partly explains his lack of Ballon d'Or nominations, as his best form might have come when Forest were still a novelty, albeit they finished 1977 at the top of the 1st Division, and had knocked Liverpool out of the European Cup before the end of 1978.

    I've read of some impressive play and goals by Francis in the early part of 1979 (after his £1m signing) but not seen footage for most of it. But I'd say 79/80 is an obvious choice for his inclusion (at least as HM), especially as even though Tom is assuming a near-perfect exposure to players worldwide, I think for lists like this the contributions to team achievements would be looked at closely and though he got the winner in 1979 in his first game (and played well) he actually contributed significantly to getting Forest to the 1980 Final even though he then couldn't play in it.
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    He also finished high in the FWA and PFA polls didn't he? He was beaten by defensive players for 1978 (Shilton and Burns). He did make the PFA team of the year, together with Shilton (Burns strangely not voted in there; maybe not too popular among colleagues :laugh:). He was almost club's topscorer in 1977-78, and joint club's topscorer in the 1977-78 league.

    What didn't help him was the novelty and lack of promotion as you say. It was also a small club (together with Ajax by far the smallest club per attendance to win the EC). Not an aggressive organization behind it to promote their Scottish and English boys.
    On top of that, it was a World Cup year and he seemed to have a muted start of 1978-79 while Shilton kept his level better I think (there was also one vote for Gemill but I wonder how much the wonder goal at 1978WC helped). Together with him being PFA player of the year he was more in the mind of being among the first five names, despite not playing at the World Cup.

    It's understandable people remember him because of his all-round skill (compared to other attacking players of Forest) and scoring important goals at the big matches, plus semi finals and finals (also when Forest was on the decline I think). The erratic nature of his character and performances add to the mystery I think?
     
  15. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'd say the unusual nature of his character (for a footballer) perhaps and the overall story (being turned into a left winger by Clough, after having been a bit-part centre midfielder who was said to be lacking focus/motivation/confidence). But one of the comments on I Believe in Miracles was that if he'd been a left winger for Real Madrid then he'd have been a universally accepted legend (or words to that effect) so I think his playing qualities and especially chance creating abilities from the wing, are still the biggest factor in his story.
     
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  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Thanks. Yes, there is some truth in that. The same is often said about other players of that period (Simonsen, Rensenbrink). Although some of them often played in the shadow of other players; I see Tom Stevens highlighted the hat-trick in the euro76 quarter finals, but two of those goals were well-assisted by Cruijff (right foot, left foot). The other goal entirely dribbled by himself though (on a good pitch...). And Simonsen had to compete with the high-profiled German players/captains at Gladbach, for exposure and promotion.

    You made a good video once with a few plays:


    :thumbsup:
     
  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I don't want to clog up the thread but after a quick search I found a nice sum up from 21-10-1978 by 'Shoot!' - pointing at his form and him being dropped for NT next to disappointing World Cup. Probably those two factors combined didn't help for Ballon d'Or. To an extent that's unfair of course as he was at least present, and e.g. Keegan in 1978 (or previously Di Stefano in 1962, 1958) wasn't.

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    Him in 1981 :whistling:
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    On same twitter account, also this captivating 27-12-1980 end of the year summary by 'Shoot!'
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    http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/t/t1980-811.html
    http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/t/t1979-801.html
     
  18. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, he said himself that he was disappointed with how he played vs Peru when he got the chance in the World Cup I know. One goal on the film that is on Youtube too is this one (FA Cup 1977/78):

    but there are some other assists on it too.
    The commentator for the AEK Athens game in the EC said "I've lost count of the number of goals that have stemmed from John Robertson over the past 18 months".
    Nice little profile of Cruyff, and I think his loss to Ajax and then even Barcelona too was probably pretty considerable indeed, and I think Vegan's idea that he was still the best player around between 1974 and 1978 probably has merit (though I'm sure it can be argued Blokhin or Figueroa or others had some years that were better, or that at least they did enough to win a potential world player of the year award in some years - after all Messi wasn't everyone's choice in 2010 and based on the old method wouldn't have won the Ballon d'Or so the generally accepted best player doesn't/didn't always take the individual accolades).

    Yeah, not to make too many posts on Tom's thread but thought I'd add this as a reply for you.
     
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  19. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Copying errors.

    In 77 the second Velasquez should be Vogts.

    in 79 the second Daglish should be Falcao.
     
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  20. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I would agree that 78 was at least as good as 79, it is just that there is less room for him to fit in 78 with the world cup.
     
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  21. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Teams of the decade. Points listed are 1 point for making the 23 and an extra point for being ranked.

    Team A

    --------------------Muller (7)---------------------

    Rivellino (6)------Cruyff (13)------ Rensenbrink (6)

    -----------Denya (5)--------Netzer (5)------------

    Krol (5)--------------------------------------Vogts (5)

    -------Beckenbauer (10)------Figueroa (7)--------

    ---------------------Fillol (3)------------------------

    Team B

    ---------------------Zico (7)----------------------

    Lato (4)---------Cubillas (6)--------- Jairzinho (4)

    ------van Hanegem (4)--------Neeskens (4)-------

    Breitner (2)------------------------------Nelinho (2)

    ---------Passarella (5)-------Pereira (4)----------

    ----------------------Zoff (3)-----------------------

    Team C

    -------------------Dinamite (4)--------------------

    Riva (4)-----------Keegan (5)---------- Dzajic (4)

    ---------Falcao (3)----------Bremner (3)---------

    Chagas (2)------------------------------Torres (1)

    ---------Ancheta (3)-------Chumpitaz (2)--------

    ----------------------Maier (2)----------------------
     
  22. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Cheers, got the Falcao one, thought it might be Vogts for the other !!
     
  23. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    1980

    Brady, Liam (Arsenal, Ireland)
    Paul Breitner (Bayern Munich)
    Cerezo, Toninho (Atletico Mineiro, Brazil)
    Ceulemans, Jan (Club Brugge, Belgium)
    Dalglish, Kenny (Liverpool, Scotland)
    de León, Hugo (Nacional, Uruguay)
    Hrubesch, Horst (Hamburg, Germany)
    Júnior (Flamengo, Brazil)
    Kaltz, Manfred (Hamburg, Germany)
    Keegan, Kevin (Hamburg, England)
    Krol, Ruud (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Maradona, Diego (Argentinos Juniors, Argentina)
    McDermott, Terry (Liverpool, England)
    Passarella, Daniel (River Plate, Argentina)
    Platini, Michel (Saint-Étienne, France)
    Rummenigge, Karl-Heinz (Bayern Munich, Germany)
    Shilton, Peter (Nottingham Forest, England)
    Schuster, Bernd (Koln, Germany)
    Sócrates (Corinthians, Brazil)
    Stielike, Uli (Real Madrid, Germany)
    Van Moer, Wilfried (Beveren, Belgium)
    Victorino, Waldemar (Nacional, Uruguay)
    Zico (Flamengo, Brazil)

    Honorable Mention: Baltazar, Paulo Isidoro, Falcao, Batista, Eder, Reinaldo, Luizinho, Edinho, Cláudio Adão, Nunes, Tita, Zé Sérgio, Renato, Ubaldo Fillol, Ramon Diaz, Norberto Alonso, Rodolfo Rodríguez, Julio César Morales, Ruben Paz, Felix Magath, Klaus Allofs, Karlheinz Förster, Hans-Peter Briegel, Harald Schumacher, Bruno Pezzey, Rafael Gordillo, Laurie Cunningham, Luis Arconada, Mario Kempes, Rainer Bonhof, Miguel Tendillo, John Robertson, Viv Anderson, Trevor Francis, Glenn Hoddle, Gaetano Scirea, Marco Tardelli, Claudio Gentile, Giancarlo Antognoni, Francesco Graziani, Gabriele Oriali, Alessandro Altobelli, Roberto Bettega, Dino Zoff, Fyodor Cherenkov, Aleksandr Chivadze, Zdeněk Nehoda, Antonín Panenka, Herbert Prohaska, Safet Sušić, René Vandereycken, Erwin Vandenbergh, Frank Arnesen, Søren Lerby

    Top three seem very clear this year. Lots of candidates for the 23. Really wish I could have gotten in Falcao, Batista, Zé Sérgio, Ubaldo Fillol, Julio César Morales, Rodolfo Rodríguez, Luis Arconada, Mario Kempes, Viv Anderson, Gaetano Scirea, Alessandro Altobelli, Dino Zoff, and Zdeněk Nehoda.
     
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  24. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Bertoni may be worth a spot in the 23, scoring at a clip of one goal every two matches in the rough La Liga of that time. Also Toninho Cerezo for leading Atletico Mineiro to a three-peat in their state championship, Genghini for a superb season taking a small club to a vice-championship, Gonzalez ("Magico") starts to show a great level in Central America, Belloumi takes Algeria to the final of the African Cup as the best player of the tournament, all worthy of inclusion.
     
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  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I felt this was worth a rep for some insightful mentions, or we could say additions to the pool of candidates (ofc Tom could probably go on forever with HM's and has to stop somewhere and there will be different arguments for different players and would have been at the time in reality...but it seems to me like these are very feasible candidates).

    I'm not really making any judgement about whether I think they could get into the actual 23, as already some HM's like Hoddle, Antognoni and Susic are players I could feel probably ought to have a chance and then it's a matter of having to take out some other players (again not suggesting Tom should do that or that I'd have a very strong or definite opinion about it) but I thought these were certainly good mentions to help enhance the view of 1979/80 (and 1980 for South America and national teams).
     
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