As I am trying to figure out the pros and cons of Ed Hale's new league, I began to wonder do MASL teams share ticket revenues with visiting teams or with the league or is it kept to themselves? Anyone have insight into this?
Thanks - and they call it single entity, lol. If it was me id drop the league too. A true single entity pools all revenue into a single fund and All expenses come out of that fund as soon as you break any single aspect of that each member becomes liable separately for others in the league, No Bueno!
That's a very narrow interpretation of a single entity. I don't think MLS does it that way to that extent. But also as has been indicated several time, the MASL is moving toward a franchise model anyway with or without (preferably without) Ed Hale.
I hope they do so and do so quick . I would prefer to see the Blast stay and foster the rivalries that exist today. I operate a mid sized llc And I am warned over and over again by my attorney to never mingle my personal assets with my biz. For example use personal check to pay my companies lease payment. Ive been told as soon as you break from the corporate structure you are set up under its a liabity nightmare. MLS is a true single entity in every sense of the word , even the players contracts are with MLS and not with the teams they designated to. All monies go in to the corp and come out come out of the corp. All travel and salaries along with stadium rents the MLS PAYS. In fact MLS owns All the intellectual property of the individual teams!(some monies can stay with team if league board of governors approves )A team owner in MLS Just really owns a Percentage in the league. Either your single entity or not?
Sydney, please enlighten us on how a single entity works if that interpretation is "narrow"? The MASL in no way is single entity. Does the MASL provide anything to any team at all? The ball maybe... It's completely 100% not single entity. Thus, why from a legal aspect it's a tricky situation.
MLS has altered the terms of the revenue it takes and allows its teams to keep over time. MLS clubs have tithed portions of their revenue back to the collective from the beginning, but the percentages have evolved. It IS true that the league holds all player cards and contracts and pays all player salaries. Certain other expenses fall to the clubs, who keep a percentage of player transfer fees and shirt sponsorship revenue, as well as percentages of other revenue. The second MISL was, supposedly, single entity, too. Arena Football was, don't know if they still are. But it should surprise exactly no one that the MASL would do things in the worst way possible.
Who is going to be to the franchise model? ( San Diego ) would be my guess , Who is going to pay all the legal fees to do it ?. Then then next question is how can the rec teams even afford to own a franchise ? , Now if ED Hale already has this in place and ready to go then why not just go with his franchised system ?
The "rec teams" already paid for their teams. There is no franchise fee. They would just have to sign the new agreement. Same as when the MISL teams joined the MASL. No one wants to join Ed's franchise system because no one wants Ed to be in charge of anything anymore.
Legal fees are on both sides. The franchisor has to send a red herring, names of all other franchisees [local], prospectus, an operating model, model financials, a how-to-run@franchise booklet and has to register the trade marks etc. The franchisee needs to do their due diligence. Half the idiots read through these in an hour and decide, smater people at least run projections and call the numbers of the other franchisee 's (failed and successful must be included) and very smart people hire professional people to read through it. Both sides have costs. I was under the impression Ed wanted a franchise model and MASK was happy with single entity. Now MASL wants a franchise model?
Last summer when Hale withdrew over the very same issue, the MASL agreed to work towards a franchise model.
Well now it's done. The MASL dragged its feet long enough and now the (IPL) is being formed into a franchised model. This league needs to set some real standards. Like arena's , Floor size , Promotions , Better feeds , the list could go on. Who is going to eat the cost of the lawsuit when it's settled. They are going after the MASL , PASL ,Kevin Milliken, Dion Earl, Those girls will win and someone is going to pay up.
Arenas like the Odeum? Floor size like Philadelphia (where Sonora's boards came from)? The Hale league standards always go out the window when they are down to 4 or 5 teams and they need new teams. And if the A-shares have to pay anything in that lawsuit (which I doubt they will), Ed Hale is going to have to still pay.
Yes, these whole 2 seasons of feet dragging... I know Hale is old, but did anyone honestly think they'd transition halfway through the first year? He started this whole mess at the end of the leagues very first season, for God's sake. I know how he's your friend or something but claiming the league dragged their feet on it when they aren't even through the 2nd season is a laugh. And I said it before, it's not a particularly strong case against the league. At all. Civil court can be pretty hit or miss but this isn't the thread to get into all of that, though. And for a league so high on standards, how is it that the combined record of the 4 teams moving (Syracuse, St. Louis, Cedar Rapids, Harrisburg), not named the Blast, is 26-57? Do "standards" not include on field talent and winning soccer games now?
Syd , The League needs to have a floor length requirement , I think Senora has the smallest floor in the league , I thing a 2,500 Seat arena is not to much to ask for.
The Kixx played on the same small floor. The Odeum didn't have 2,500 seats. But that was all good in the "Major" Ed Hale League.
ST Louis & Cedar Rapids is a much better team than the stats show look at the division they were in , The Had to face Milwaukee , Missouri , Chicago 3 Of the best teams in the league . The were never going to come out on top anyway.
These teams need to go , Over 10 Games this is a complete joke.. How can they even afford to fly anyplace. With these numbers I am surprised they can afford to have a live broadcast . No one is saying they are not good teams they would be better off in the PASL premier. That just my Opinion Detroit 7,748 Las Vegas 5,011 Baja 4,622 Sacramento 4,534 Turlock 4,169 Brownsville 3,002 1 Saltillo 1,825
It is fair to point out that St. Louis and Cedar Rapids had losing records this season. But to imply that these teams were not competitive is not accurate. St. Louis lost 3 Overtime games (one loss went to shootout), and the Ambush were close to winning 10 out of 15 games. This means that the score and game situation in the 3rd/4th quarter was close enough that St. Louis had a reasonable chance to win with adequate offense & defense. Cedar Rapids followed a similar pattern, winning 3 overtime games, but losing 2 overtime games, and had a chance to win at least seven games overall that turned into close losses. It is also worth noting that St. Louis was recognized by opposing players as being much improved in their overall form after a mid-season coaching change. Both teams continued playing with high effort even after falling out of playoff contention. Cedar Rapids is now seeking a new Coach after firing Jeff Kraft but seeing CR play several times, I thought they were making progress. Harrisburg - agreed that they are not competitive. They don't bring in higher level players to supplement their local guys. Surprised they draw as well as they do with all the losing. Hopefully they can get some better players and win a bit more. They need a coach too after firing their head coach during the season.
theres a gap between the teams that have arenas with good capacity, and those that play in rec centers. if your rec center only seats 500, over 10 games you will only draw 5000 if you sell out each game. we knew theres a gap, and its unavoidable. but unless you want a 5-7 team league like the MISL 3, then you tolerate the smaller teams.
Just to add some additional information I have been told by management regarding the Harrisburg Heat. Ten (10), yes ten of Harrisburg's players on their roster this past season lived in Maryland and when the weather is bad during the winter those players don't want to drive on I-83 in Pennsylvania. The State of Pennsylvania doesn't plow I-83 North in Pennsylvania to the point where it's safe for the above mentioned players to drive up to Harrisburg. While ideally those players could live in or around the Harrisburg area, no apartment complex was contacted to help facilitate that process because the person who was suppose to work on it, dropped the ball. Therefore, those players lived in Maryland, only could practice two (2) to times a week, with good weather; only half the team was at either practice. How can you have any successful team only practicing twice a week. Also, ownership could not pay it's players based on full-time status due to limited revenue. Owner Wilbash was asked to step in and try to keep the Harrisburg Heat team playing. He has personally put so much effort on his part that the he has been working 12 -18 hours a day, seven days a week, for the past three (3) years and he can't cntinue this pattetn He's a radio person not a sports team owner; so for the Harrisburg Heat to survive Wilbash is looking for another owner to step in and take a more financial investment in the Harrisburg Heat. His family life, financial life and physical health have taken a negative effect on his life. NO one had stepped up to help Wilbash, the teams radio person, financially and he has declded its too much for him to continue to take on this task. So say what you want about the Harrisburg Heat, but its not for a lack of trying to put a winning team on the playing field