NASL Expansion News, Rumors and Wishful Thinking Thread

Discussion in 'NASL Expansion' started by oneeyedfool, Mar 14, 2015.

  1. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    If rumors of a Duggan NASL bid attempt are true he seems to be trying to get some relevance and block a future DCFC NASL bid possibly.

    Don't think NASL will bite with Duggan, a Detroit City FC NASL expansion club seems more likely.
     
  2. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    I am asking cause I am completely unfamiliar with the Detroit soccer landscape. Why not Duggan?
     
  3. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Duggan is owner of the USL PDL Michigan Bucks who've been overshadowed by DCFC. He apparently has preliminary approval for a USL franchise for Detroit. He hasn't been able to make the move up to D3 Usl so being successful with a D2 NASL bid seems even more of a remote possibility. Also would have likely signed a non-compete since he's involved in USL. The rumors of him being the one from Detroit making an expansion bid at the Sept BOG seemed odd. Some rumors said he made the bid, others said it was not him or DCFC.

    Talk around NPSL's DCFC has been for a move up to NASL possibly in the future.
     
  4. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the DCFC people have mentioned USL too ... it's possible Duggan ran out of time with the USL and they released him from his "non-compete" and told him they were in discussions with DCFC and that's when he went to NASL (who are interested now that DCFC are interested in USL) ... who knows. Too bad there are two leagues and two teams that are all going to fight against each other in some ways and use each other.
     
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  5. FootySkeptic

    FootySkeptic Member

    Sep 24, 2015
    Club:
    Cardiff City FC
    Sounds vaguely familiar no? It's really a shame that there is less collaboration here between the leagues. Competition brings out the best and the worst in everyone.

    The OKC mess started somewhat akin to this.
     
  6. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    What kind of collaboration are you thinking?
     
  7. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Anythings possible, we don't even know for sure who presented a Detroit bid however, last I heard it wasn't Duggan or DCFC but a different group.

    Where did you see DCFC is interested in moving up to D3 Usl.
     
  8. FootySkeptic

    FootySkeptic Member

    Sep 24, 2015
    Club:
    Cardiff City FC
    Anything that moves forward and stays away from the pissing contests that started before USL and NASL split.
     
  9. Brotheryoungbuck

    Jan 24, 2015
    parts unknown
    658047757052022784 is not a valid tweet id


    I thought maybe this was worth a post.
     
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  10. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No B teams like Chivas USA or NYC FC (or Rayo OKC) please

    (But if you must, Boston is the only place that makes sense for a Celtic team in NASL, Irish diaspora and all.)
     
  11. FootySkeptic

    FootySkeptic Member

    Sep 24, 2015
    Club:
    Cardiff City FC
  12. Jossed

    Jossed Member+

    Apr 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    #712 Jossed, Oct 24, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2015
    Given the same guy posted this...
    658026368580452352 is not a valid tweet id

    Just another wanabee Tinfoil Teddy. Shhhh. Don't tell him the NASL went 0-7 against the USL and should probably come in when the amateurs teams do.

    Yep. Nothing to see here. What a shock from a UK tabloid. A few choice gems.

    I guess the Silverbacks do not exist. And suuuure Boston. Good luck getting a stadium for a minor league soccer team. Just make up Pittsburgh and Philly while you are at it.
    Yeah, just like the Dayton Dutch Lions created tons of FC Twente fanatics and Ajax Orlando did the same thing for Ajax. Nothing makes more fans for a foreign club having them create minor league soccer club for branding. The locals just love it. Talk about having no clue about a market. Oh, and NYCFC has only been good at creating more NYCFC fans. They have meant nothing for the Man City brand.
    Is the NASL turning into a full farm league for mid-level Euro clubs? Is that how the boys plan to bring down MLS? But honestly, outside of the silly Rayo rumors, we haven't really any other names. I see Bill Peterson is reduced to trolling foreign papers to try and get anyone interested in his league. He should be more worried about Miami and Puerto Rico collapsing. Never mind what to do with Atlanta and Carolina. That would quickly end everything.
     
  13. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Euro farm teams in the US are bad! Expect if it's NASL. Then we'll welcome them with open arms"
    -NASL fanboys

    Because you're not a first division. Next question.
     
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  14. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Heads up: Celtic was interested in a new NASL club last year, but they were hoping that Scotland would vote for independence. Their thinking was Scotland would adopt German type work permit rules, and that would help their league (it would).

    One of the cities they were interested in was Hartford, another was Detroit.

    Celtic has about 3 million fans in the US according to the club. Not massive, but bigger than most.
     
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  15. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you know the rational behind why they were interested in those cities?
     
  16. Jossed

    Jossed Member+

    Apr 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    That's great. But those fans want to see and root for Celtic. Not some domestic D team that only exists for branding. It has never worked in the states and never will. NYCFC only is doing well at creating new NYCFC fans.

    Hartford you say? Maybe Celtic can get in on this. http://shop.hartfordcityfc.com/
     
  17. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hartford - pretty sizable Scottish community, close to Boston - which would be their preferred choice.

    Detroit - not sure, but large US city, and I'm guessing a pretty good Scottish community as well. Just a guess.
     
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  18. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume that you have run a European club that has one of the top brands in the world. I also assume that you know exactly what they are thinking and how they are planning to achieve whatever their goals may be.

    Lastly, if you read what I wrote - they were looking at the US market with regards to Scottish independence, and very lax work permit rules. If you have seen Scottish football, the talent level on the whole is not great, but Celtic can and does pay pretty well.

    Now, what they are thinking now - I can't tell you, this was in 2014, before the vote for independence.

    ==
    Now I'm going to address

    Ajax USA/Orlando - that was a straight licensing deal. Ajax didn't have any real support with the club other than a container of gear. The Orlando guys hired two Ajax legends to build up the brand, and Ajax did have a small technical agreement, but the key was the two legends who opened doors when needed. Sadly, they weren't really needed. Also, Ajax USA/Orlando had a staff of 15 - only 1 of which was doing any sales. If you know anything about sports in the US, you know that a sales staff is vital, and 1 person really cannot do the job needed.

    ==
    Dayton Dutch Lions - similar deal, but this time Dutch guys were involved. FC Twente has maybe 20 fans in the US, so if they gained 1 fan that was a 5% increase. The local club hired Dutch coaches, and tried to do more to build the relationship, but for a non-EU player to play for FC Twente, the club would have to pay him a minimum of €450,000 per year. That's starter money, and not someone who you would find in the USL.

    -==
    I can tell you from personal knowledge that German and Belgian clubs are looking at the US market. They aren't looking at guys playing on NASL teams in most cases, but the thought of creating a pipeline of Yank/Latin American youth talent into their clubs is they key. Kids like Pulisic, Wright, Perez - are helping market the US, and the Euros know that the way to make their youth development attractive is by having a pro club. MLS is not in play for most because the lack of player control, and NASL is attractive because it is just like the rest of the world.

    I could go on, but I'd have to charge you.
     
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  19. warrior14

    warrior14 New Member

    Mar 18, 2014
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I live in the Detroit area and we have a good polish community but I don't know about Scottish. If they wanted to actually make team in the states I would chose either Hartford or Boston because they have a bigger Scottish population than the Detroit area.
     
  20. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually the Polish connection makes sense. Lots of Poles are Celtic fans, and bonus - they may be able to get EU passports.

    Hartford's Scottish population was more historical, Polish and Portuguese are much more prevalent now - but once again, EU passports.
     
  21. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Well the BOG did listen to a Detroit group who were reported to not be either DCFC or the other guys. I hope it isn't some European team looking to just create a farm team. I don't want the NASL to be a farm league, but I would much rather it be an MLS farm league over a European farm league.
     
  22. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll take the opposite side of the argument. I don't want a baseball style minor league in the US. I like the idea of independent teams - independent from other teams in our country (US Open Cup is one reason).

    That said, feeder clubs have been around for years in Europe. The big clubs pay the smaller clubs a fee to be a feeder club. The big clubs loan players, and may get right of first refusal on talents. When the US starts developing 100 players a year like Pulisic, Wright and Perez, it might be a good idea to have 1st division partners, but let's face it - they aren't.

    I'd rather have talented European youth coaches over here developing talent for their own gain, and we get the benefits of seeing Yanks move abroad and develop in the highest levels, not 1st division league in name only.
     
  23. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    That is a fair point. I would just rather that take place in levels below D2, maybe even below D3 once D2 has filled out. I would rather D2 be fully independent teams.
     
  24. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a little confused by your post.

    Do you only want indy team in D1 and D2?

    I'd like it top to bottom. Of course I'd like to be imperial ruler and be in charge of sports in the US. :)
     
  25. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    No I would like it at every level also, but I realize that isn't the kind of world we live in. So I would at the very least like for the top two divisions to be independent.



    p.s. Indy = Indianapolis, indie = independent
     

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