There were plenty that wanted him gone, along with David Luiz. I agree that we can't. If Danilo was healthy, Marcelo would be my choice. It's a shame Alex Sandro wasn't called in favor of GEFERSON. I'm not really knocking Alves for preferring Danilo because he's younger and a much more balanced option. At this point, Alves deserves to be on the squad as a bench option.
Do you really think Dunga watched any Shakhtar bar a few UCL games? He called up Fred because he worked with him as a coach at Internacional. At Inter, he was utilized in the midfield in attacking positions. Douglas Costa looks almost as raw of a player as he was when he left Brazil. You can guess what he will do 95% of the time -- left, left, left, left, left...the one time he went right, he whipped in a pathetic cross.
Dunga is simply using the same exact tactics as Felipao's WC tactics. Neymar is in the hole and then there are two work rate midfielders on the flanks to help protect them. Willian occasionally does something in attack, but it's not enough given the lack of creativity and flair going forward. The team lost its nerve yet again under Dunga's command. I won't fault him completely, as I simply don't see a true leader on this team to settle the team down. Firmino isn't a true striker and when we play as poorly as we did yesterday, we can't expect him to get involved. As celito and I mentioned above, this was a game for a physical striker. Firmino had to drop deep to get touches on the ball (and he was poor as well). I hate to say it, but experimenting with Hulk as a 9 (not on the wing, for the love of God) might be worth it. I'm not saying it will be successful for sure, but I think it's worth the experiment. Are there any other strikers playing at a similar level who possess the strength to at least hold the ball up? We simply don't have any target strikers, so at least Hulk can use his strength to hold the ball. Watching yesterday's game almost made me miss MANO, and I can't stand him. Mano is extremely passive, also is guilty of calling players he worked with at the club level, and he's extremely slow to adjust (he may have been on the right path with the False 9, but took extremely long to experiment it). At least his tactics aren't archaic as what we are seeing. /rant
He's simply there for experience for the Olympics. These managers don't know how to properly manage a squad when the Olympics are on the horizon. Mano focused way too much on it. I don't see any other teams using so much effort to prepare for the Olympics as we do, yet we haven't even won a gold medal.
I rather give Elche Jonathas a chance than try Hulk at false 9. A special thanks to Adriano for putting us in this situation. It always something with Brazil lately, Scolari took a bunch of target strikers but we lack mobility. Now, we have mobility but lack the target striker. Tactically, He is using Neymar the same way Scolari did, Neymar centrally with the ability to roam but at least Dunga isn't using the long ball tactic as much as Scolari did. He actually trying to establish a short passing game. We simply don't have enough creativity and technical ability to do so.
Volante preso para cobrir lateral NÃO EXISTE MAIS. Jogo está mais rápido, ele não vai chegar na cobertura. Não marca, nem joga.— André Rocha (@anunesrocha) June 18, 2015 Única característica que pode diferenciar Elias dos outros volantes é a chegada como surpresa na frente. Aí Dunga prende para cobrir D.Alves— André Rocha (@anunesrocha) June 18, 2015 Ding ding ding. For those criticizing Elias, Dunga isn't even utilizing him properly. He took away his biggest strength. If the role is to cover for Alves, then he should play a better marker.
It's worth the experiment, but I doubt Dunga does it. He'd probably rather call Luiz Adriano again. Dunga has already established a base to work with in his first few friendlies. He needs to experiment more and look for upgrades in need areas. It's always too much status quo. Not to mention, I've yet to see any tactical variations from him. He hasn't learned from his first stint or his stint with Internacional. The team is lacking a leader and he can't keep players under control. What was the halftime talk like? Why is Dunga here? To stabilize our defense?
I don't normally agree with Andre Rocha, but he is on a roll last night and today. I'm in full agreement. Para quem está jogando a culpa na geração fraca tecnicamente: a Venezuela - que evoluiu, mas nem tanto - venceu e foi melhor que a Colômbia.— André Rocha (@anunesrocha) June 18, 2015 BLOG Derrota, atuação coletiva patética, Neymar perdido e suspenso: uma partida e tudo parece desmoronar sobre Dunga. http://t.co/GLYSa9FwcG— André Rocha (@anunesrocha) June 18, 2015
He taking a page out of Lucho who uses Rakitic to cover Alves. Danilo has shown so far, he doesn't need a body guard to help him out. I don't understand the lack of leadership in this squad either consider Dunga was a great leader back in the day IMO. Could be the lack of true veteran on this team, someone like a Kaka or Lucio that would of gotten in Neymar face and have a talk with him or try to settle him down.
Lucho has to do that because Messi isn't tracking back to fight for the ball. We have Willian. We are wasting Elias. Covering for fullbacks is an antiquated concept. Also, we have nothing up the middle in the midfield. Fernandinho and Elias aren't distributors. Elias can't push forward because he's covering. The attacks are all focused down the flanks or Neymar dropping deep to receive the ball. Kaka doesn't have the leadership qualities that we need, although he is more of a leader than anyone on this squad. Lucio would be good, but he also can be unstable at times.
Elias is the perfect Paulinho replacement. He is a horrible Luiz Gustavo replacement. What really doesn't make any sense is to take 2 segundo volantes to play the role of 1 primeiro.
I don't completely agree. It makes a difference when you get the first goal. We scored early from a corner vs Colombia and then got the FK. But in the 2nd half they were all over us. I was there
I saw the first one early in the game. That does scare me About Avendia Alves, we expect our DMs and CBs to cover the FBs going up. It has been like that for a long time. I do agree he exaggerates at times like pressing the goalie vs Croatia in the WC which led to the goal.
Fernandinho plays some first volante at City and fouls a ton less. I'm sure coaching and tactics are a good reason why. I know some people here would like to see Allan from Udinese. I barely have seen him since he left Brazil. He played the role that Elias is doing now perfectly at Vasco. He covered for Fagner, who basically was a glorified winger.
Different game, different circumstances. Felipao also beat the shit out of Colombia in that game with fouls. I wouldn't crucify Dunga yet. He gets a "pass" because he is building the team. Remember it took him more than 2 years the first time round.
Keep in mind also guys that Neymar missed 2 very easy goals an Firmino an open goal. It was always going to be a very tight game. Colombia has been playing together for a while and are very physical. The typical team we struggle against.
Yep, different circumstances. We were under a lot more pressure to perform and win then than we were now. James had an off night last night and Falcone looked like Fred. Despite all of that, we barely sniffed the goal. We need to create more chances because we can't expect to be clinical around the goal without a true striker. We had 3 chances -- Neymar's header, Firmino's rebound miss and Alves ball to Neymar. When Neymar has an off night, no one else can create very much. He's a different manager now than he was then. He was a complete coaching novice. He also had less of a squad in terms of talent than he does now. My main concern is his side is showing the same bad habits as before. He has more experience now. 06-10 was a bigger rebuild job than now.
South American football is physical. We didn't struggle vs physical sides in the last half of qualifiers in Dunga's first stint. We struggle against bunkered sides. Colombia wasn't bunkering in the first half.
He's solid, but again - I think the consistency of that Atletico back-line made them all look better than they are. Also, he's a bit better in possession than in a frantic game - tends to come forward less often but his crosses are generally pretty good. That wasn't quite Colombia until the later stages. Anyway, my thoughts on the game were simple: 1. Neymar had a really bad game, and 2. Brazil can haz midfield?
He was poor in support last night. He came forward more in the second half and gave the ball away carelessly. There were a handful of times Cuadrado had acres of space to run at our CBs, cut and fire a shot. Fernandinho also wasn't in the picture. Neymar = our midfield.
Neymar also had a clear opportunity that he shot wide. The late Alves cross was on point it's still a tough one to expect a goal. He should have played Coutinho from the start that's for sure. I do hope this incident really gets Dunga to be more proactive about making sure the players keep their cool. Neymar has matured a bit, but he still acts like a brat at times and that's what he did yesterday.