Great Generations of Footballers from Countries or Regions

Discussion in 'Players & Legends' started by Tom Stevens, Dec 30, 2014.

  1. JamesBH11

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    Sep 17, 2004
    what about Mazzola?
    I do not understand you put Baggio/Maldini in defender and Baggio/Maldini #1 in Goal keeper?
     
  2. Tom Stevens

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    I assume you are asking about Valentino Mazzola? I did not build a generation around him because I did not think it would be as good overall as the other Italian generations. It would basically be him and his Torino teammates plus Rava and Locatelli. The players of Valentino Mazzola's age and younger that did not play in the 1938 WC were not well tested outside of Italy. Torino dominated domestically but immediately post war they did not perform well for Italy (the international team was basically all Torino players). They got beat 4-0 vs England in Rome when Mazzola and the Torino generation was supposed to be at its peak.

    I am not sure about your second question. The two names are just representatives of a generation as oppose to just typing in the ranges of dates. Baggio/Maldini B just means Italian players born between 1964 and 1971. Baggio and Maldini are the two most famous players from that time. It's just a naming convention I made up.

    As to why they are #1 in goalkeeper it was a close call between Baggio/Maldini B and Facchetti/Rivera. B/M has great depth with three really strong keepers in one 8 year period (very rare) with Peruzzi, Pagliuca, and Toldo. Then add on two more decent keepers in Rossi and Marchegiani and you have one of the deepest keeper groups ever. Facchetti/Rivera has Italy's best (if Buffon has not passed him) keeper ever in Zoff plus Enrico Albertosi who was fantastic in his own right and Italy's most underrated keeper ever in my opinion. Close call either way.
     
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  3. JamesBH11

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    Sep 17, 2004
    thanks for explanation
     
  4. Pipiolo

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    Kudos on your research but some of your interpretations are incorrect. Massaro was in no way a chance creator, as you can find second-division players in Nicaragua with more ability than him. Massaro was an ox in the box, a poacher with decent finishing and strong work ethic, nothing beyond that though.

    Would Vierchowod (centerback), Ancelotti (control mid), and Carnevale (finisher) not qualify for the Baresi/Baggio generation? And what about Crippa (control mid) for the Maldini/Baggio A group?
     
  5. Tom Stevens

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    Good call on Massaro, was not paying attention when I put him there. Vierchowod and Anccelotti are both born in 1959 and are actually younger than Baresi. They were both part of the Scirea/Baresi group.

    Carnevale and Crippa are both players that could be included in the groups you identified as borderline players.
     
  6. Tom Stevens

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    On to Uruguay

    They have a number of distinct generations and some real top quality, although not as much total depth as Brazil or Italy which comes as no surprise because of Uruguay's relatively tiny population. Uruguay is the first country detailed thus far that will benefit greatly in strength of generation vs what was actually available for selection for many of their national teams due to rules about selecting footballers playing club football abroad. For example, Uruguay's great generation that won the 50 World Cup and made the semis of 54 will have Walter Gomez and Ramón Alberto Villaverde as part of the generation despite them not being part of the national team.

    Uruguay's first generation I will detail is one centered around the players that starred in their two Olympic victories in the 20s.

    The Scarone/Andrade generation is from 1898 to 1905.

    Finishers
    Pedro Petrone
    Héctor Castro

    Chance Creators
    Hector Scarone
    Pedro Cea
    Santos Urdinaran
    Santos Iriarte
    José Pérez
    Francisco Fedullo
    Roberto Figueroa
    Zoilo Saldombide

    Controllers
    Jose Leandro Andrade
    Lorenzo Fernández
    Antonio Urdinarán

    Defenders
    Jose Nasazzi
    Pedro Arispe
    Fermín Uriarte

    Goalkeepers
    Andrés Mazali
    Enrique Ballestrero

    This generation is headed up by three of Uruguay's all time great players Scarone, Andrade, and Nasazzi who were instrumental in winning two Olympics, four South American Championships and a World Cup and were considered one of the best teams in the world. Petrone and Castro were two excellent center forwards although there is no depth behind them. The chance creator group is fantastic with both depth and quality. Scarone was an all time great while Cea, Urinaran, and Perez all played vital parts in the national team. Iriate, Figueroa, and Saldombide were all important contributes to the national team as well and Fedullo was a very import player for Bologna, one of Italy's most successful clubs of the time. He was capped five times in 1928 for Uruguay prior to his departure but with Bologna he won three Serie A's and two Mitropa Cups and was facing off against Europe's best players. The controller group is headed by the great Andrade who is joined by the mainstay at his side in the team at center half Fernandez. Urdinaran was a very important player for Uruguay in the early 20s. The fullbacks have the reputation of being the best of their time led by Nasazzi with Arispe and Uriarte being solid behind him. Mazali and Ballestero were decent keepers.
     
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  7. Tom Stevens

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    The 1898 to 1905 generation barely missed out on some of the top players who were associated with those teams with Isabelino Gradín born in 1897 and Alvaro Gestido born in 1907. I could not really move the generation in either direction with Scarone born in 1898 and Petrone born in 1905.
     
  8. msioux75

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    More Uruguayans

    Finishers:
    Juan Peregrino Anselmo
    Norberto Casanello

    Chance Creators:

    Juan Arremón (13 caps)

    Controllers
    :
    Humberto Tomasina (also defender)
    Pascual Ruotta (13 caps)
    Romeo Parravicini
    Gildeon Silva (member of the Peñarol "rolling steel shutter")

    Defenders:
    Antonio Urdinarán
    Domingo Tejera (20 caps)
    Adhemar Canavesi (9 caps)

    Goalkeepers:
    Fausto Batignani (11 caps)
    Maximo Maturell (6 caps)


    Missing for a bit: Legnazzi, J.Vidal, Corazzo, Buffoni, Gradín, Borjas, Campolo, Marán
     
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  9. Tom Stevens

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    Thanks for the additions. It is hard to find basic information on some of these players like date of birth. Is there any good source you can link to for some basic information?
     
  10. Tom Stevens

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    #35 Tom Stevens, Jan 7, 2015
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    The nest generation of Uruguay players is somewhat of a forgotten group. It is based around the team that won the South American championship in 1942 and the great Nacional team that won 5 straight titles and rivaled River Plate as the best team in South America during the early 40s. This is the best generation of players who were between the 1930 and 1950 World Cup winning sides, although some players with great longevity (Obdulio Varela and Roque Máspoli) were part of the 1950s teams as well. If this group had a chance to play in a World Cup some of their players of top quality like Roberto Porta might sit right along side Scarone and Schiaffino as all time greats, as oppose to a level below in recognition. The national team of this time, despite the success it had, could have been even stronger as many of these players were having successful careers in league all over the world and were not eligible for the national team. My write up for this group will be a bit longer as they are less well known than other Uruguayan generations.

    Finisher
    Severino Varela
    Anibal Ciocca
    Ettore Puricelli

    Chance Creator
    Roberto Porta
    Bibiano Zapirain
    Segundo Villadóniga
    Braulio Castro
    Enrique Fernández
    Francisco Frione
    Oscar Chirmini
    Juan Riephoff
    José María Medina

    Controller
    Obdulio Varela
    Michele Andreolo
    Marcelino Perez
    Eugenio Galvalisi

    Defender
    Erebo Zuniño
    Avelino Cadilla
    Manuel Sanguinetti

    Goalkeeper
    Roque Gaston Máspoli
    Aníbal Paz
    Juan Besuzzo

    The finisher group is very strong with three top players. Varela was a star for both Penoral in the late 30s winning four straight titles (35, 36, 37, 38) before moving to Boca Jr. and becoming a legend there winning two titles (43, 44) and overcoming the great rival River Plate of Moreno. He is also Uruguay'a all time top scorer in Copa Americas (tied for 3rd overall with 15) and was one of the key players in the 1942 victory. Ciocca was a versatile forward who was a vital part of Nacional's great team of the 40s. He was top scorer in the Uruguay league twice, champion 8 times, and winner of two Copa Americas (35, 42). Ettore Puricelli was an overseas export who was extremely successful with Bologna becoming a club legend. He succeeded the great Angelo Schiavio as Bologna's striker in the late 30s but was not intimidated by the task. In 1939 and 1941 he led Bologna to the Serie A title, both years he was also the Italian league's top scorer. He played 293 games and scored 166 goals in the Italian league over a thirteen year career with Bologna, AC Milan, and Legnano. The creator group is very deep with a log jam of players in the national team, and strong players abroad who were not eligible. Porto by the age of 24 had already had successful careers abroad playing three seasons in Argentina with Independiente and two seasons in Italy with Inter Milan. Both stints were declared sucsessful and he was capped for the Senior Italian team despite his young age and only spending two years in the league. After returning to Nacional in Uruguay he, along with Atilio Garcia would be the linchpins of the great Nacional side that won five straight titles. He was also capped 34 times for Uruguay scoring 14 goals despite spending the beginning of his career overseas and was key to the 1942 Copa America victory. Bibiano Zapirain was another vital part of the Nacional team and 1942 Uruguay squad with Porta. He was considered one of the best wingers in South America and the world at this time. Segundo Villadóniga was a play maker who was key to Penoral's teams of the late 30s before he moved to Brazil (ending his international career) where he was one of the leagues top players over an 8 season stint with Vasco and Palmeiras, winning multiple championships with the later. Castro (11 caps), Chirmini (20 caps), Riephoff (21 caps), and Medina (15 caps) were all import parts of the international team at different parts of their careers. Fernández and Frione were both successful exports who were not part of the national team. Fernández played with Independiente in Argentina and Barcelona in Spain while Frione played in Italy with Inter Milan. The controller group is extremely powerful with an all time Uruguayan great in Varela and an all time great export in Andreolo who became a legend for the Italian national team, playing a vital role in the 1938 World Cup Victory (26 total caps) and in Bologna's four national titles (36, 37, 39, 41). Andreolo was noticed by Bologna after his excellent performance for Nacional winning the 1933 and 1934 Uruguay championships. His teammate in the halfback lines for those two victories was Marcelino Perez who was also bought by a foreign club in Vasco da Gama where he won the title in 1937. He unlike Andreolo, was able to contribute to the Uruguayan national team before his departure, winning the 1935 Copa America. Eugenio Galvalisi was a mainstay of the great Nacional side and Uruguay team in the halfback line. The defenders lack a big name but had many players highly regarded in South America. Erebo Zuniño was the star defender of Uruguay in the late 30s, teaming with S. Varela and Villadóniga to win four straight titles with Penoral. He won the 1935 South American Championship. Between 1933 and 1939 he played 12 times for Uruguay, the team did not allow a single goal in these games. Avelino Cadilla was capped 7 times by the time he was 23 before he was bought by River Plate. He was an important part of the famous title winning sides in 1941 and 1942. Manuel Sanguinetti had a long and successful career both in Uruguay (part of the title winning side for Penoral in 1945 that broke Nacional's streak of 5 straight titles) and abroad (in the late 30 and early 40s as part of the great Independiente side and in the early 50s in Colombia as part of El Dorado). Hector Castro was a mainstay for Nacional during their title winning run and for the national team. The group of goalkeepers is fantastic with two all time greats, Paz was the keeper for Nacional and the national team in the early 40s before Maspoli took over and stayed with the national team through their success in the 50s.

    A couple of important players associated with this team were just outside the bounds of the generation. Luis Ernesto Castro, the great winger for Nacional and the national team that was opposite Zapirain was born in 1921. Agenor Muñiz (1910) was Zuniño's teammate and defensive partner for club and country winning 31 caps between 1933 and 1943 and was the top defender of his time. A couple of players with great longevity who were part of both the 40s teams and the 50s teams like Maspoli and Varela were in 1921 and 1922 in Schubert Gambetta and Eusebio Tejera.
     
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  11. Tom Stevens

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    Saw this interesting note in Zapirian's Italian wiki that basically said translation:

    "In a referendum held in the early eighties by the largest newspaper in Montevideo on training ideal of all time Uruguay, Zapirain was included in the eleven, all`ala left."

    Does anyone know what newspaper this would be or have seen this team it would be interesting.
     
  12. msioux75

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    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    What years belong to this generation?
     
  13. guri

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    Apr 10, 2002
    I found this pdf file(looks like a newspaper page but not sure from where) from November of 1980 mentioning this "poll" of its readers done by the newspaper EL DIA from Montevideo. Apparently it was done in 11 weeks, 1 week dedicated to each position, and as you mentioned Zapirain is the left wing and he's in very good company.

    http://hemeroteca-paginas.mundodeportivo.com/EMD01/HEM/1980/11/27/MD19801127-016.pdf

    Goalkeeper: Ladislao Mazurkiewicz
    Right Defender: Jose Nasazzi
    Central Defender: Roberto Matosas
    Left Defender: Shubert Gambetta
    Right Mid: Roberto Scarone
    Center Mid: Obdulio Varela
    Left Mid: Victor Rodriguez Andrade
    Right Wing: Alcides Ghiggia
    Center Forward: Oscar Miguez
    Left "Interior": Juan Schiaffino
    Left Wing: Bibiano Zapirain

    Schiaffino was the one who got the most votes of all.
    I find the formation a little odd, with a Left Interior(the old entreala or 10 in spanish) but there is not a Right Interior(old number 8). I guess Scarone would be the 8 and Rodriguez Andrade would be more of a defensive half back?
    Surprised me the presence of Matosas. I would've thought that Santamaria would've been there.

    Tough to get more information since El Dia went bankrupt and disappeared some time in the 90's after more than a century of existence.
     
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  14. Tom Stevens

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    1912-1919
     
  15. Tom Stevens

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    I agree it was an interesting selection. No Jose Leandro Andrade, maybe he got beat out by Nasazzi or Scarone from the way they have the formation set up?

    I was surprised by Miguez for sure over Piendibene, Petrone, and Morena.

    As for Matosas being over Santamaria maybe it is not that surprising as for a Uruguayan paper as Santamaria is thought of as an all time great because of what he did in Europe. Also if you factor in pyramid full backs are being categorized as right/left defenders (evidence Nasazzi) that takes a lot of Matosas's competition away. Also interesting he was ahead of his near contemporary Ancheta. Both players were fresh in the minds of the voters and they voted Matosas ahead, not necessarily how some rank those two now.

    Also thought Gambetta and VR Andrade should be on the opposite sides they listed. And why is one a defender and one a midfielder?

    Back to Zipirain, that is an interesting pick for me, I did not think he had the clout to get into this type of list. The voting/selection does not seem beholden to having accurate positions, I figured they would have shoehorned in a more famous player like Porto (if they were to pick one from that era he could play anywhere on the front), Gomez, or Rocha. Zipirian is not a World Cup Champion or a more contemporary player voters would be familiar with. All the other players fall into this catagory. Zipirian is the only one listed from his era they did not hang around until the 1950 WC.
     
  16. msioux75

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    #41 msioux75, Jan 7, 2015
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    Nice comments, mate.

    I agree about your point Matosas > Santamaría, both cracks, but Matosas playing throughtout his career in SA and the last peaking in Europe.

    Concerning Matosas vs Ancheta, I think Matosas had the most consistency career, despite Ancheta had the higher (but shorter) peak.

    About Gambetta vs Rodriguez Andrade, the first one was a defensive minded winghalf, and the latter was more balanced in attack and offensive.

    Maybe, Romano could make it as Left Winger.

    brw, it's a strange 3-3-4 formation!
     
  17. Tom Stevens

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    Uruguay's next generation is the one that won the 1950 World Cup and performed excellently at the 1954 competition as well. In addition to many of the heroes of those competitions this generation includes a number of players who did not feature for the national team.

    The Schiaffino/Gomez generation is from 1925 to 1932

    Finisher
    Óscar Míguez
    Javier Ambrois
    Julio César Britos

    Chance Creator
    Juan Alberto Schiaffino
    Walter Gomez
    Alcides Ghiggia
    Ramón Alberto Villaverde
    Julio Abbadie
    Carlos Borges
    Julio Pérez
    Carlos Romero
    Dagoberto Moll
    Carlos Carranza

    Controller
    Néstor Carballo
    Urbano Rivera
    José García
    Luis Alberto Cruz

    Defender
    Jose Emilio Santamaria
    Victor Rodriguez Andrade
    William Martinez
    Matías González
    Luis Miramontes

    Goalkeeper
    Walter Taibo

    The finisher group is solid but not as strong as previous, it is missing one of the national teams and domestic leagues better players in Juan Hohberg who was not included in this exercise as he was produced by Argentina. As good as the previous two chance creator groups were, this one must be the best of Uruguay. It contains Uruguay's greatest player ever Schiaffino, a national team and 1950 World Cup legend Ghiggia, and Abbadie, Borges and Perez who were all massive parts of the two World Cup successes. To add to that you have a player who many contemporaries considered to be better than Schiaffino, Walter Gomez, unable to play with the national team during his peak with Nacional due to a ban for violent conduct, and then because of his transfer to River Plate where he became a club legend. Ramón Alberto Villaverde was I vital part of the Barcelona team that was challenging Real Madrid for superiority in Spain and Europe in the 50s and early 60s. Dagoberto Moll was another export having an excellent career in Spain with Deportivo, and Romero and Carranza provide addition depth as proven internationals. The controller group is unspectacular. The four players in the generation are solid but the big names associated with the Uruguay half back line were veterans from older generations (Varela 1917, Gambetta 1920). The defendwer group is great, with two all time great players in Santamaria and Andrade, and two more very strong players in Gonzalez and Martinez. Taibo was a solid goalkeeper who bridged the gap from Maspoli to Mazurkiewicz earning 30 caps. in addition to the halfbacks mentioned as players missing commonly associated with this group, another older player who was key to the 1950 victory was Eusebio Tejera (1922) a 31 cap fullback and mainstay of the team until Santamaria's arrival.
     
  18. Tom Stevens

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    #43 Tom Stevens, Jan 7, 2015
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    Agreed Romano is another more famous option for the left wing, I guess that is why I am impressed Zipirain made it in, there are a lot of other possible choices (Isabelino Gradín as well from the older generation).

    I have been reading a few articles about him as well that talk very highly of him, there seem to be more of them then there are for his counterpart Luis Ernesto Castro, two players I had always thought were in relatively even esteem.

    http://www.agesor.com.uy/noticia.php?id=7646

    http://www.pueblotricolor.com/cms/t.../item/2018-bibiano-zapirain-el-peligro-blanco
     
  19. Pipiolo

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    What do you make of Atilio Garcia not making it? In the "Mount Rushmore" thread, you placed him as one of the four greats worldwide for the second half of the 40s.
     
  20. Tom Stevens

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    He will be part of the argentina group. He was born and developed there before he was purchased by Nacional.
     
  21. Tom Stevens

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    Sorry was not paying attention to what you quoted. I am not sure how many voters would consider him Uruguayan.
     
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  22. msioux75

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    Additions:

    Finisher:
    José María Medina

    Controller:
    Erebo Zunino
    Manuel Figliola

    Defender:
    Arturo Seoane

    Goalkeeper:
    Julio Barrios
     
  23. Tom Stevens

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    The next generation based on the group of players that guided Uruguayan clubs to great sucsess in the Copa Libertadores in the 60s and 70s. Because of this they were often fancied in the 1962, 66, and 70 World Cups but disappointed in all competitions but 1970 where they reached the semifinal. they also won the 1967 Copa America. The generation is strong at defender but lacked depth and quality at striker. This was reflected in the national team performance. The the club level when Penarol and Nacional won there Libertadores they had high quality foreign born strikers in the team that solved the defiance of this generation at striker (Spencer and Artime).

    The Rocha/Mazurkiewicz generation lasts from 1940-1947

    Finisher
    José Urruzmendi

    Chance Creator
    Pedro Rocha
    Luis Cubilla
    Julio Morales
    Julio César Cortés
    Nilo Acuña
    Víctor Espárrago
    Héctor Silva

    Controller
    Ildo Maneiro
    Julio Montero Castillo

    Defender
    Ricardo Pavoni
    Pablo Forlan
    Roberto Matosas
    Juan Martin Mujica
    Luis Ignacio Ubina
    Julio César Benítez
    Héctor Cincunegui
    Juan Masnik
    Sergio Bismarck Villar

    Goalkeeper
    Ladislao Mazurkiewicz

    Like previously stated the finisher group is poor. Urruzmendi is the only player present, who was a solid international but nothing more. Other finishers associated with this group were older players (Pepe Sasia 1933, Domingo Pérez 1936). The chance creator group is very strong with all players listed being key internationals and key players to major success for their clubs. Rocha and Cubilla are the stars of the group as they not only had great careers with Penoral/Nacional guiding them to multiple Libertadores, but they proved themselves of the highest quality in foreign leagues, Rocha with Sao Paulo and Cubilla with River Plate. Maneiro and Castillo were both stalwarts for Nacional and racked up huge cap totals for Uruguay, making a solid Controllers group despite the lack of depth. Néstor Gonçalves, probably the most iconic controller of this group of players was born in 1936. The defender group is deep with excellent quality, probably Uruguay's best ever. There was backlog of excellent players fighting for caps at every defensive position. Players were proving themselves both at home being key factors in Penarol's and Nacional's Libertadores wins, and were having great success in clubs all over the world. The massive depth and quality of this group is even more impressive when you realize that some of its most well known defenders barely missed the 8 year time period (Omar Caetano 1938, Emilio Alvarez 1939, and Atilio Ancheta 1948). There is only one goalkeeper present but he is Uruguay's greatest ever.
     
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  24. Pipiolo

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    Is it fair to say they disappointed in WC66? They outplayed England, the eventual winners, at Wembley and got a point. Also, the match against West Germany is very controversial, with a tying goal by Rocha to make it 1-1 annulled without valid reason by the referee. As often is the case in these scenarios, a blatant miscall deflates the smaller team and they cannot recover for the rest of the match (similar to Wilmot's goal for Belgium taken back against Brazil in WC02 for example). Who knows, it could well have been Uruguay in the final with fair refereeing.
     
  25. Tom Stevens

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    The final generation of Uruguayan players were the group that had a short resurgence in the 1980s that won two Copa Americas but failed at the 1986 World Cup.

    The Francescoli/Pereyra generation is from 1955 to 1962

    Finishers
    Jorge da Silva
    Wilmar Cabrera

    Chance Creator
    Enzo Francescoli
    Rubén Paz
    Antonio Alzamendi
    Juan Ramón Carrasco
    Venancio Ramos
    Rubén Umpiérrez

    Controller
    Santiago Ostolaza
    Eduardo de la Peña
    Ariel Krasouski
    Miguel Bossio
    Jorge Barrios
    Mario Saralegui

    Defender
    Dario Pereyra
    Hugo de Leon
    Víctor Diogo
    Eduardo Acevedo
    Nelson Gutiérrez

    Goalkeeper
    Rodolfo Rodríguez
    Eduardo Pereira
    Fernando Álvez

    The finisher position is not a major strength with two solid players, but some of the most noted goalscorers of this time barely missed the generation (Fernando Morena 1952, Waldemar Victorino 1952, and Carlos Aguilera 1964). The chance creator group is strong, Francescoli and Paz were world wide stars with solid depth behind them. The controller group has a number of solid players but none truly great. The defender group is strong with Pereyra and de Leon really standing out with a world wide reputation as top players. The goalkeeper group is solid. Overall fewer players in the group are thought of as among the best in the world at their position than in previous generations.
     
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