Yes, it is possible, although because assumptions would need to be made, it would not be completely devoid of subjectivity (although assumptions would be made explicit in the beginning). But it will take a lot of time and effort to do and therefore cannot be done for free.
a quote from Tostao (#38): Pelé did things from another world. The best of Pelé was not in the 1970 World Cup. When young people watch tapes of ‘Mexico’ they’re disappointed. I’ve seen this with my own son. He got together a group of friends to watch tapes of those games and afterwards some of them were saying, “Pelé was very good, but he wasn’t all you’ve cracked him up to be.” But they hadn’t seen the early Pelé, the thinner Pelé of 1958-64. After that he bulked up, put on muscle, got heavier and lost some of his mobility. The best Pelé was between 1958 and 1964.” one thing you need to get: you are just comparing their world cup@29 years old, we are not talking about "who is the greatest dribler ever at 29" or "who is the greatest dribler in WCs" so, maybe Maradona90 was better than Pele70 but football is not composed of JUST world cup only, we take the whole career into account. look at the footages, you will see the types of dribling which you cant find from Maradona. with all the abilities to drible and doing them better than others he is not close to being amongst top5?! look man, what others can do Pele also does as good as them if not better. (I very doubt he does not do it better) and watch the footages, which dribler has the dribling attributes of Pele?! Can Messi, Maradona, Best, Cruyf, Garrincha............. drible with the eccentric ability of Pele?! can they drible by controlling the ball like Pele does?! can they do make feints as much as Pele does?! in what way they are greater than Pele?!
I have watched Garrincha 80 world cup runs from Bella Kona, his dribling is slightly better than Luis Nani and Antonio Valencia of Manchester United, dribling of CR7 of MU is at least as good as Garrincha's if not better. concluded from the footages I have seen, I do not know about other driblings of him outside of that world cups.
have you watched the footages I have presented?! absolutely better than them. by the way, I also used to think Pele is overrated and started to search him, then I realised that he indeed is underrated.
I'd make a few qualifiers about the dribbling statistics discussed here: Not every tournament is the same; also fouls won (successful dives) are counted as a 'dribble won'. The location of the dribble matters. JamesBH11 posted in the past this graph. In some cases teams are (almost) totally built around a flashy/explosive player; maximizing the odds and minimizing the 'donkey work'. I'd say at least Maradona86 qualifies as such case. That certainly boosts the chances for a successful dribble.
If a player goes past but a allows a defender to come back it was still a successful dribble, a dribble is awarded for each player passed. A success is if an attacker goes past a player while keeping possession of the ball. People who are employed or the computers who track the game, i'm not sure about who tracks the stats. Nobody can deny the importance of penetration and keeping possession on football so that's why this matters.
How are you sure? http://www.optasports.com/news-area/blog-optas-event-definitions.aspx - If you win a foul then you've kept possession?? - Foul conceded is not a successful tackle. Correct?
If you win a foul you did keep possession but you didn't dribble a player, that is not tracked a s a successful dribble. http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/862172/LiveStatistics/Spain-La-Liga-2014-2015-Almeria-Real-Madrid As you can see here Ronaldo was fouled 3 times but has 0 dribbles. And yes, foul conceded is not a successful tackle, it's clear.
What's the big deal in doing such analyses (other than it being extremely time consuming)? Researchers in different fields conduct such statistical analyses regularly.
You would have to find all full games of all significant players. And count every dribble, and against which team, against what player, which part of the field etc. Not to mention to put it all in context at the end.
Yes I did and that was a rare clips available out there. Likewise upto WC1990 I was among those who doubted Pele better than Maradona ... until mid to late 90's when I had a chance working in Brazil and got a good research on Pele's career. After that serious work, no doubt Pele is the real and the only king in football - probably irreplaceable
right it was a bit misleading as duel won could include dribble run, plus re-possess , plus tackling ... many
well Garrincha might have made 8000 dribbles in his career ... so that was just <10% of his true footage samething to Pele ... I had seen him do a lot of fancy moves like Steps over, 360 turn, Cruyff half turn, Ronaldo moves and chops ... but they are not available on youtube. Or like R9 or Messi, most of their great dribbling runs are with club level ... not so much at WC level, so just base on WC along might not be a fair judgement
I totally agree with you that he might have made better dribbles, but as long as I am not familiar with them I cant say anything about his dribling. I just watched world cup runs and that is all I have talked about.
I think you are missinformed, with the starting of 1970 Pele started to decline and as the years past by, Pele's game also declined and became less contributing factor. there is a statistic which I cant find now which shows us that if Pele retired in 1969 then his goal ratio would have been 1.2 or something like that, after adding his post1969 career his ratio declines to 0.95 or sth like that. 70 was clearly not his peak, maybe the last and the lowest stage of his peak.
in this thread I see some who say "Peke was mediocre" by using the stat of 1970. if that is enough to conclude, are they going to agree that Jairzinho was better dribler than messi, Cruyf, R9 and e.t.c just because that stas shows he was below Maradona only!?
That's why I said it would be time consuming and no one would do it for free. It would be a full time job needing a well qualified researcher. The organizations currently in this business should try to do something similar instead of just delivering raw data and basic descriptive stats.
haha ... if 1970 was still Pele's peak then he is a true GOD and the only with more than 14years peak? (Pele started 1956) In 1970, I rated pele was still in best 10 but not close to TOP3. His WC70 did add spices to that season achievement there *like Maradona 1986 - that;s all
... about dribbling ... in training Dribbling takes on it’s own form of rhythm by focusing on an aggressive intent to keep the ball in front of the hips so that any decision to pass, shoot, or dribble can be made. Watch Garrincha and Pele in their dribbling, the ball rarely is caught underneath or too close to the body. The best control is out in front, guiding the ball while being agile and explosive. Here we work on progressing that ability through a series of dribbles that increase speed and intensity, all the while focusing on our cue of having the ball in front. Dribble Progression Finally, I want to relate the coaching of rhythm while changing direction with the ball in a “no wasted touch or steps” manner. The only way for a player to effectively accelerate all the way to the ball and stop to change direction on a dime is by utilizing the outside of the foot. We, at Performance Unlimited, term this the “chop” and use it in all of our drills where changing direction to find the best option, no matter if it is to dribble, pass, or shoot.
Look at Pele's most basic move (not that many know) - and look close ... It was an inspirational idea (move) for Cruyff's turn (in 70's) and Ronaldo's chop (double cut) 90's Soccer Move: How to do the Heel Switch like Pele ================================================= In this encounter from World Cup 1966, Pele is approached by a defender. He performs a stepover feint that fools the defender to shift to one side. Pele takes note of this and runs in the opposite direction
I agree with PDG's assessment of Pele's ability. His bread and butter was feint moves, and when his runs did come together, you could argue that they are the best of all time. However, in my own watching of Pele', he had terrible control over the ball at times, tripping over it, hitting it too hard, and sometimes even tripping over his own self. In this regard he is clearly a class below the likes of Maradona. What he did excel in was inventiveness. Take for example his most famous World Cup dribble goal against Mexico in 1962, it was a sloppy run, he collided with bodies along the way and only got to the ball because of athleticism, not cunning technique or manipulation of the ball. What I do find ironic however is that he had great chest control, IMO i'd rank him ahead of Maradona in chest control only because he used it more frequently from what I have seen. But I guess that is a separate category all together.
Pele is uneasy on my eye because he was so nonchalant. I have doubts about how he'd fair in the 80s in terms of dribbling.