I don't know about benching Neco. I just think Carbonero is offensively a tier above Abel and Sanchez and defensively she plays with more discipline than Gaurin, Quintero and James and Cuadrado. He has played as CAM and right mid. I think his effort defensively can allow James and Cuadrado to focus on offense and he ia better with his weak foot than either of the two which is why I'd play hin centrally. He has great hold up okay that only Aldo provides but Aldo is getting old. Viendo los partidos de Carbonero me hace pensar que seria buen complemento para James y Cuadrado. Carbonero le pega bien con los dos pies que no lo hace James y muy poco Neco. Creo que por eso y su entrega al labor de defender seria un buen remplazo para Aldo mas que Gaurin y Quintero.
Imo if he gets minutes i think you'll see him be a okayer that may not be as fast as Neymar or Irbarbo but defends more than either and even more than Gaurin. He'll make clever passes to James and Cuadrado. He'll get the ball and many times shield it or play it safely nack or square trying to build up play and keep possession allowing teammates to reorganize tatical shape. These are important if there isnt a okayer to fo this you'll see a Colombia like the on vs Venezuela or like the one vs Brazil and not the one vs Japan in the scond half or Bolivia, Uruguay at home and with 3 media puntas and Colombia can turn things into a fast break like they did vs Japan or Ivory Coast and Greece. Which in tournaments its a must to sit back at times absorb attavk to save legs and then go on a fast break.
Yea Guarin stock took a huge dive since he came to Inter. I really though he'd be the Captain of this team and be a beast like at Porto but he is part of that Porto curse players who leave there and are utter shit. We need a DM and Cm and I don't think Carbonero is that. He is a sub for Cuadrado. I really want to see Daniel Torres of Santa Fe and Cuellar of Junior get called up.
I see what you mean. He has gotten majority of his time outwide. But he seems to have the skills to okay center. Maybe continuing Abel in the middle qould be my next choice. I am very disappointed in Sanchez's ability with the ball i think in that rwspect Mehia might as well play. Idk what happen to Gaurin. I've rwad in the youth divisions he pkayed as a #10 guessing El Pibe or Maradona wannabe style. But hes had his most success as a box to box mid. I remember when Inter and Milan where well known for having many olayers with good stamina and endurance and speed like Kaka and Cambiasso and Zannetti and Simeone, Gattuso, Maldini, Cafu, Davids and they helped extend 'Dinho's and Beckhams career. Thwn they went to Robinho which looked like an out of shaped amateur player complete with gut and all and now Gaurin and others. Julio Cruz once said that Inter out him on a diet and extra training regimen! Where's Gaurin's? They have him a box to box/winger role. I don't think he is successful in that role. A Brazil olayer from the 79s once said they where all #10s but they knew that deoending who they okayed qith thwy took up certain roles. Je said he was a #10 but he pkayed with Pele and Garrincha so he said he had to stay back and defend. Wish Gaurin would watch that. The same thing has happened to Micheal Bradley as Fredy Gaurin. The really are d mids/CM not #10s or cam. They both turn it over to much. They do better in the box using there physicality to win a rebound and score. Or sprinting to trail a okay unmarked or blasting a long range shot. Not being thw guy that has to have the vision and talent to see out a build up.
Cesen a has him playing as a CM ...Milo dream has come true. Hes playing decent but if Cesena want the best of him they need to play him on the right , that made him famous in colombia, and argentina. Made some good tackles cleared the ball today bUT he should play where he's more comfortable due to his speed, dribble, and crossing ability .
Lol I agree his best is at the right but i dint think he can beat out Cuadrado for time on the right if Cuadrado plays consistent. At CM for Colombia next to a DM he can drift right while Cuadrado attacks. Thats what I'd like to see imo in theory it would be better than starting Abel and Sanchez
Yo you his dad or his mom. One of the best players in Italy should be benched for a bench player in a bottom feeder club in the same league?
Months ago when Milo said Carbonero should be a CM I was like man that is a crazy, outside the box idea. But then Pekerman tried it against El Salvador. And as mention by Jay Luis Cesena now has him at that position. Now Milo looks like a genius! (Or at leaat the idea does not seem as crazy to me after all.)
Carbonero played well considering he was looking to the sideline for the 1st 60 minutes of the game. He made several tackles. He made 2 Macherano looking tackles. I was very impressed.
No. How many attacking options we have Cuadrado, Ibarbo, Adrian Ramos, Teofilo, James, Bacca, Falcao, Quintero =8 how many players are used to play that CM that defends & attack which is what they are molding Carbonero into Abel Aldo Guarin James Ibarbo and in a future Quintero for now we have 5 with the possibility of 6 and out of those 5 Abel & Aldo seem more reliable but they are inconsistent, Guarin has the potential of owning that spot but we all know his problems, Ibarbo lots of potential but for some reason cant seem to improve I think Carbonero would have a higher chance playing for our NT if he is one of the options in the 2nd group rather than the first one attacking options we have lots and strikers such as Teo Adrian Ramos Bacca Falcao can easily play as 2nd striker. That makes me think about the 3 striker formation, even though we need 3 James Rodriguez in the mid for that to work
Yeah he just needs to stop looking at the ref after each clean tackle he makes... like he's surprised at his own defending skills. The Italian league will help him lose that innocence.
I have to say I have better things to do than watch Cessena, but that really surprises me. He was defending really well when he was at River breaking up plays and stealing balls... I remember on particular play against Newell's when he stole the ball from Maxi Rodriguez, a World Cup for Arg btw, in River's half that started a move he ended up finishing with a header. There was another time when he stole the ball against Olimpo and scored with a shot from outside the box. Ramon Diaz also had him playing as a double 5 at times, so its not new. He was doing a lot of dirty work at River last season
If he can develop into a CM that defends well, more power to him. I just think his skill set is better suited for attacking midfield. Regardless of the depth we have.
I do agree with homie. In Caldas he had games where he played as forward as well. Of Course that it'll be great if he can a bit more defensive but I also think that he has characters of an offensive player then a defensive one.
Aren't they just doing to him what Mexico did to Aldo? Only way he will have space in Colombia is if becomes a box to box midfielder No way he will bench Cuadrado. If Cuadrado can't play then Zuniga or Arias goes in that spot. Tons of injuries to our most important guys for him to get a shot at RM.
You and elviejomen are looking at it through the prism of what is best for the National team. I am looking at it through the prism of what his best attributes are and what I believe is best for him individually. But if he can develop into an "Aldo Leao" mid then I would not complain at all.
He's playing for Cesena right now vs Chievo. I just turned it on and the first thing I see is him getting a stupid yellow. He receives the ball really clumsy and looses control of it. And when he tries to recover it he fouls his opponent. Booking.
That's exactly why we can't agree. I'm looking at it from the perspective on how he can help more the NT and have an actual opportunity to be called up. From your perspective then yeah off course I do agree that he has to play in his natural position.
He can still be called up if he plays an attacking mid position. And it can help the National team since he can be a valuable player off the bench who provides a spark. Instead of trying to convert him into something he may not be best at.
and if he works hard at it we might see an even version of Cuadrado and be a starting material, but at the same time he can evolve to be an amazing CM. He might not be the best at CM but as the saying goes en el mundo de los ciegos el tuerto es el rey, he is going to have a waaay easier time playing as CM in our NT because there are way less options than up there
Carbonero is getting a lot more playing time now, but to no avail for his team because they still play bad. 0-3 vs genoa.