Campeonato 2014

Discussion in 'Ecuador - Clubs' started by barcelonista1981, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Ecuadorean teams = disappointment internationally. Simply terrible.
     
  2. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The reality is this, we have no problem playing against Venezuelan, Bolivian, Peruvian teams, now, Uruguayan, Paraguayan, Colombian and Chilean teams seem better, not in quality of football, but in playing International tournaments, they just handle that home/away situation better than our boys, call it lack of experience or whatever, it will take us time, but hey, BSC and Independiente showed some very good futbol, It's a process. Let's see how Emelec does tomorrow.
     
  3. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Playing international tournaments is tough. A lot tougher than it seems. I think BSC had the best overall squad to have done a better performance overall in this tournament. Their style of playing was awesome. In their best moments, BSC was devastating on the attack. When Penilla, Suarez, Esterilla, MJ Quinonez were ON it was futbol at 100 mph. Matias Oyola is one hell of a player. Helps attack, helps defend, and he does it cleanly. Never gets tired, the guy is a machine. I don't think I've ever seen Matias Oyola have a bad season in the years he's been in ecuadorian futbol. He's the type of player that I think could easily have been playing in a much more competitive league during all the years he was at BSC....BSC has been very lucky to keep him for so long. Finding a player like that and keeping him for an extended period of time is extremely difficult. Alex Bolanos is in a great moment in his career. Best #5 in the country. Velasco and Nazareno are displaying great futbol this season on a consistent basis. Banguera (according to stats) is the best keeper of the campeonato- the keeper who has been scored on the least last time I checked.

    With all this said, I was a bit disappointed not to see BSC make it farther in this tournament. What I noticed in some games is that the entire team tends to have one excellent half and another one that is very much below their potential. It seems difficult at times to see BSC have an entire game at the same level. The Clasico was the best example of it. Emelec did better the first half and BSC took over the second half and turned the tables on Emelec. If BSC could have a bit more consistency and keep hold of that explosive futbol they have throughout an entire game, the story changes completely.


    As far as Catolica, it was expected for them to do bad and they did. Emelec and Independiente have the same problem as always....create a ton of chances and don't manage to be as effective as they should. To me that's the main reason Emelec never takes a step ahead in these tournaments passed Octavos. That, and the fact they don't know how to seal the deal and close a game without being scored on while at home. That's always made a huge difference for Liga back when we were in our prime. The main thing wasn't just to score a lot, but also to not get scored on. Receiving a goal at home in these tournaments without having scored 3 is suicide. 1-0 is tough to maintain, 2-0 is a great deal, and a 3-0 means your visit won't be so bad as long as you play your cards right...meaning you score 1 goal while away and you have basically sealed the deal even if you lose by 4. BSC could have easily scored 3 goals in the first half vs. Libertad in Guayaquil which means Libertad would have came out in the second half looking for a goal....that would've probably made it even more accessible for BSC to score a 4th on a counter attack with players like Penilla and Esterilla. There were at least 4 great centers put into the box in that game that weren't finished in the first half alone. GREAT assists.

    It's a shame....there's no way Cerro Porteno, Libertad, or River Plate have better players than Independiente, BSC, or Emelec.
     
  4. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    We are winning this sheeit.
     
    barcelonista1981 repped this.
  5. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    If we dont drop stupid points such as tying at home against lower half of the table teams, we'll win it, Wednesday game in Manta will be an awesome opportunity to extend the lead, I see a lot of potential draws in that day amongst the other teams.
     
  6. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    #81 barcelonista1981, Oct 22, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2014
    This past weekend I was sick at home with the flu, so basically I had my soup brought to my bed and got to watch 4 out of the 5 games of el Campeonato and watching the level displayed a few things stood out, now, don't get me wrong I am very happy with the way BSC won in El Atahualpa and all but....

    1) The Defense: I encourage to whoever didn't watch the games to go on youtube and check the highlights, we will all agree on how bad the defenders were in almost ALL goals, Blanco's first goal, El Nacional's goal, Liga's goal, Mushuc Runa's goal, Uchuary's goal, all of the Independiente's goals. all these could have and should have been better challenged and it's not just the Central defender's fault, but the entire defensive mindset of our player's it's just not aggressive, non challenged crosses happen too much in a game, please look at the Mushuc Runa's goal, and see how Zura is allowed to receive, turn around , hold the ball, allwhile having a defender posting him up behind him and then a second defender comes to relieve but insteqd of pressuring Zura, he literally just stands there and allows the side pass which ends up in the goal, Lig more than deserved that win but mistakes like that cost them 2 points, but I saw defense errors like this all weekend long.
     
    b9d23m89 repped this.
  7. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I completely agree with this. I got to see Liga's game and later the Nacional vs. Barcelona game and I must say Norberto Araujo got played like a sucker. I was so pissed off dammit! 2 minutes and we would've won that f*cking game. And now Araujo had yet another sh*tty game vs. Independiente and even got red carded. Canga came in the second half and in 30 minutes he performed much better than Araujo. And the Nacional vs. Barcelona game was a disaster from El Nacional's part. One thing for certain- you can't give Ismael Blanco one freakin centimeter b/c his finishing is lethal. That guy has freakin 7 goals in 7 games in the campeonato and I'm pretty sure he scored a good 2 goals or so in the Copa Sudamericana as well. Great signing. If only Liga had that we would have be 6-8 points ahead of where we are b/c stupid misses up front and horrible defending at the end of a game have cost us mad points.

    Personally the last 4 games I've seen Araujo play he's been less and less solid and especially these last 2 games. I think Zubeldia needs to reconsider it and place Canga in the starting 11 for good now. I think it's time for Canga and Alcoba to start. And I don't know when the hell Koob Hurtado is going to be ready to get back on the field but we seriously need him. Reasco is gonna give me a heart attack if I continue seeing him start.


    Anyways, I'll put up another game with highlights of BAD defending and that's the game between Emelec vs. U. Catolica in Quito today where Emelec won 5-2. Miller Bolanos scored a hat trick and had an assistance. U. Catolica has always been known for bad defending (besides the fact that Andres Mendoza was the only real good center back they had) and Jorge Celico is another Juan Ramon Carrasco. Only attacks and doesn't defend. Instead of playing with wingbacks he plays with volantes ofensivos on the sides and they never come back to defend. It's no surprise Catolica get's raped a few times each season by 5-7 goals whether it's home or away. Anywho, here's the highlights of that game and Catolica's poor defending.

     
  8. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Liga's problem isn't just defending but that midfield too. Sornoza was just insanely open without pressure. No one in the middle could defend him in his goal and the third goal of Independiente as well.
     
  9. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The thing with IDV is that if they score on you first, specially early, it's all damage control from there on, they are by far the best contragolpe team in the country, we must understand that Guerrerro on the left, Sornoza in the middle, Gonzales on their right and Angulo up front is sooooo effective, they did it to BSC 2 weeks ago and Emelec before that. Guerrero is such an underrated player and in my opinion he can be just as good as Miller Bolanos on that left side.

    Now regarding Liga, Araujo's red card will provide a new opportunity for Canga to show more of himself, Alcoba and Canga will start which I am assuming must be Zubeldia's plan. Liga plays Mushuc Runa at home this weekend, a victory there will almost guarantee Copa Sudamericana, Zubeldia's process has had it's ups and downs, in the end it's up to Liga fans whether they'll consider it a success or failure, but take notice that Zubeldia's priority was to rejuvenate the team and assemble a new Liga that can compete for the next few years, yet we are looking at Viteri, Reasco, Vera, Araujo, Hidalgo in the usual starting line up, that's 5 players over 30, (I might be off a year or two on Hidalgo). Now I understand that experience is needed but to my understanding that's a formula when your goals are high, Liga's office, coaches, players and fans knew the main idea was again to rejuvenate the team, Intriago we can all agree has earned that role, Canga should have played more, Cevallos fue de mas a menos, Hancel Batalla is too young a prospect so no verdict on that yet, I gues I was expecting Zubeldia to do more on players such as Luis Congo (who is what 23-24?) . I guess they'll be one of the clubs to add the most players this offseason.
     
  10. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Well if we look at who has been most productive with the 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 (because BSC plays both depending if they are home or away) we have these stats:

    Barcelona: (not counting international games)
    Blanco- 7 goals and 1 assist
    Nieto- 3 goals and 1 assist
    Penilla- 5 goals and 9 assists
    Esterilla- 6 goals and 3 assists
    Chivo Suarez- 5 goals and 2 assists
    TOTAL: 26 goals and 16 assists from their "starters"...then there's MJ Quinonez with 2 assists and 0 goals.

    Emelec: (not counting international games)
    Dennis Stracqualursi: 5 goals and 4 assists
    Marcos Caicedo: 3 goals and 1 assist
    (both players ^ only played the Primera Etapa)
    Javier Charcopa: 2 goals and 4 assists
    Marcos Mondaini: 5 goals and 5 assists
    Fernando Gimenez: 4 goals and 2 assists
    Miller Bolanos: 13 goals and 6 assists
    Angel Mena: 9 goals and 6 assists
    Emmanuel Herrera: 2 goals and 1 assist
    TOTAL: 43 goals and 29 assists including Marcos Caicedo and Stracqualursi's numbers. w/o them it's 35 goals and 24 assists .

    Independiente: (not counting international games)
    Daniel Angulo: 11 goals and 6 assists
    Jonathan Gonzalez: 8 goals and 5 assists
    Junior Sornoza: 14 goals and 5 assists
    Fernando Guerrero: 8 goals and 4 assists
    Julio Angulo: 1 goal and 0 assists
    Armando Solis: 3 goals and 2 assists
    TOTAL: 37 goals and 22 assists


    Given these stats, and seeing how BSC and Independiente both play counter attacking futbol, I would agree that Independiente is the most effecitve when playing this style of futbol. AND they also have their numbers well distributed between less players b/c of obvious reason (they don't have a squad that's as deep as BSC or Emelec). BUT, I will say that what stands out about Emelec over BSC and Independiente is that Emelec doesn't play with a #9. I never understood why Emelec didn't give Herrera much opportunities to start besides the fact that all their offensive players are having a really great season and it's tough to take any of them out of a starting line up. I think he also got injured not too long after he came, but I still think he deserved more opportunities than what he's been given this season. To get back on topic, the fact that Emelec pulls off these numbers without using a #9 speaks highly of Quinteros (although I am not much a fan of him to be a NT coach for a few reasons) and how effective he can be when using a false 9 like Miller Bolanos and the fact that he can create an effective goal scoring trident behind the "false 9". Miller Bolanos is proving lately that not only can he play in ANY position in that 4-2-3-1 trident, BUT that he can ALSO play as a false 9 tipo Enner Valencia...a position where he's been scoring a lot. I'm telling you guys Miller is THAT DUDE. He'll serve his purpose wherever you put him in any type of formation. As an enganche he is the most effective, but even as a false 9 I can't say that he's any less productive. He's just as good at playing that role too. We have a gem under our noses, yet we haven't been able to get him on the NT (for understandable reasons...at least in these last 2 games since Emelec was playing Copa Sud), but I think the fact that this kid can accommodate to any attacking position and SCORE AND ASSIST sells me on the idea that he should start on the NT (in the next few friendlies at least). Lots of commentators are saying the same as well....get this kid on the NT as a starter!


    Regarding Zubeldia, the plan was to rejuvenate the BASE of the squad. That base is Cevallos Jr, Hancel Batalla, Jefferson Intriago, and Luis Canga....which should all be starting next season (besides Batalla, who will probably continue being an important sub). When I look at Dominguez and Viteri I think we are gonna have one or the other next season, not both. Either way Daniel Viteri is only 32 and still can have a good 4 years in Liga without a problem...maybe even more if he takes care of himself. We are also either planning on renovating Dominguez for 2 more years OR sell him in December. Either way it's a win-win. If Liga sells him they get a good $2 mil I'm assuming and Viteri stays. If Liga doesn't sell him I would assume Viteri leaves and Dominguez stays and all is good. Anyways, Reasco, Vera, and Araujo were asked to stay by Zubeldia himself at the beginning of the season and I personally think it was the right move although I was against it at the time he had made the decision. Vera has had a really good season. He has played like the younger version of himself. Araujo has done well until the last few games where I've noticed his mistakes are becoming a liability to the defense. And Reasco hasn't played a lot this season, but has had to play now since Koob Hurtado and Jose Madrid suffered injuries. The problem is we didn't have a back up for Madrid and Koob's back up is Carlos Arboleda who IMO will be out of Liga in December since he's not in Zubeldia's plans. When it comes to Fernando Hidalgo I think this has been his best season since he's been in Liga. He may be 29 years old, but he still has a good 2 more years in him to be part of the squad even if it isn't as a starter. Personally I'm pleased with the duo of him and Vera this season and I can't complain about them. It's the lack of goals up front from the Matamoros, Anangono, Batalla, Morales, and Congo....and of course Felix Borja who was in Liga the first 6 months (i'll exclude Intriago and Ramis from this b/c I think they've done a good job this season although I expect Intriago to score a bit more next season). Add that to the fact that we let goals in at the end of our games due to lack of concentration and it greats irregularity. If we could get ahead in a game with a 2-0 or 3-1 for example, we wouldn't run into these issues b/c at that point we'd have better control of the game. But when you struggle to hold a 1-0 EVERY game, it becomes difficult. And when you have trouble even scoring 1 goal, even worse. Anyway, Vera, Araujo, and Reasco supposedly said they'd retire after this season. They only stayed 1 more season b/c Zubeldia wanted them to, but for next season I'm almost positive at least 2/3 of them won't be there at all anymore, if not all of them will be gone. Araujo and Reasco I can almost assure you will not be there. Vera said he'd leave after the season is over and it seems like none of them will stay. I'm pretty sure right now Zubeldia and Liga are planning on who to sign for 2015, but the most important thing is that a solid base has been created....and this is the base:

    Dominguez/Viteri; Madrid, Canga, Alcoba, Koob Hurtado; Hidalgo, Cevallos Jr; Ramis, Intriago, Batalla; Anangono


    Out of all the players in that line up, only the guys in bold will be starters for next season IMO. As for the rest of them, nothing is guaranteed. But truth is THIS ^ is what Zubeldia created this season. The job now is to fill in the non-bolded areas with names like Mario Pineida, Roosevelt Oyola, Fidel Martinez...and then get back up players to create competition like Federico Laurito (anangono's sub), Dennys Quinonez (Hidalgo and Cevallos Jr sub), Jose Ayovi (Ramis's sub), and Hamilton Piedra just in case there's a need for a substitute keeper.....these are all assumptions and examples but IMO these are names that would make Liga a stronger team overall that could finally be capable of winning a campeonato.
     
  11. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    http://www.futbolecuador.com/stories/publica/48773


    OMG!!! Everyone has to read this! Chiriboga supposedly offered Santiago Rivadeneira money to get a vote from him (D.Quito's ex. president). Sh*t's about to come to light. Chiriboga is being put to shame this week LMAO.
     
  12. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The thing with IDV is that if they score on you first, specially early, it's all damage control from there on, they are by far the best contragolpe team in the country, we must understand that Guerrerro on the left, Sornoza in the middle, Gonzales on their right and Angulo up front is sooooo effective, they did it to BSC 2 weeks ago and Emelec before that. Guerrero is such an underrated player and in my opinion he can be just as good as Miller Bolanos on that left side.

    Now regarding Liga, Araujo's red card will provide a new opportunity for Canga to show more of himself, Alcoba and Canga will start which I am assuming must be Zubeldia's plan. Liga plays Mushuc Runa at home this weekend, a victory there will almost guarantee Copa Sudamericana, Zubeldia's process has had it's ups and downs, in the end it's up to Liga fans whether they'll consider it a success or failure, but take notice that Zubeldia's priority was to rejuvenate the team and assemble a new Liga that can compete for the next few years, yet we are looking at Viteri, Reasco, Vera, Araujo, Hidalgo in the usual starting line up, that's 5 players over 30, (I might be off a year or two on Hidalgo). Now I understand that experience is needed but to my understanding that's a formula when your goals are high, Liga's office, coaches, players and fans knew the main idea was again to rejuvenate the team, Intriago we can all agree has earned that role, Canga should have played more, Cevallos fue de mas a menos, Hancel Batalla is too young a prospect so no verdict on that yet, I gues I was expecting Zubeldia to do more on players such as Luis Congo (who is what 23-24?) . I guess they'll be one of the clubs to add the most players this offseason.
    Chiriboga's on a roll, first the hidden audio, now this lol, somehow he'll get away with this too.
     
  13. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    #88 b9d23m89, Oct 31, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2014
    The Independiente vs. Barcelona game this weekend is one of the most defining moments in the cameponato for the Segunda Etapa, if not the most defining game there is left. Besides this, the Clasico del Astillero is going to be the last big battle between the top teams and of course when Emelec plays Independiente. But the biggest clash I think is tomorrow because if Independiente wins, it's going to be hard for BSC to stop them. These guys are undefeated and crushing everyone while Emelec is more focused on the Copa Sudamericana, so for now BSC and Indep. have the advantage. Emelec will play Liga with an alternate squad or mixed squad and both of us have 20 points a piece. Great weekend of futbol and very defining moments. If Emelec can't defeat Liga, their chances of being 1st diminishes a lot.

    The final this year looks like it's going to be a very memorable one like the 2009 one b/c of the moment Emelec is in internationally, as well as the awakening of BSC and Independiente's current form being undefeated and straight defeating lots of teams with goleadas lately.
     

Share This Page