Daily Mail Top 50 players ever

Discussion in 'Players & Legends' started by PDG1978, Jun 14, 2009.

  1. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Ok, after Dearman's newest adjustments:

    1 Pele 1570
    2 Diego Maradona 1527
    3 Johan Cruyff 1510
    4 Alfredo Di Stefano 1444
    5 Franz Beckenbauer 1443
    6 Ferenc Puskas 1387
    7 Michel Platini 1341
    8 Garrincha 1270
    9 Ronaldo 1212
    10 Zinedine Zidane 1204
    11 Eusebio 1171
    12 Zico 1159
    13 George Best 1095
    14 Gerd Muller 1088
    15 Bobby Charlton 1043
    16 Marco van Basten 996
    17 Lothar Matthaus 863
    18 Paolo Maldini 849
    19 Lionel Messi 797
    20 Lev Yashin 787
    21 Romario 745
    22 Franco Baresi 699
    23 Ruud Gullit 659
    24 Roberto Baggio 637
    25 Bobby Moore 608
    26 Didi 575
    27 Ronaldinho 523
    28 Guissepe Meazza 503
    29 Rivelino 485
    30 Stanley Matthews 467
    31 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 395
    32 Jose Manuel Moreno 388
    33 Gianni Rivera 363
    34 Zizinho 347
    35 Cristiano Ronaldo 346
    36 Dino Zoff 340
    37 Raymond Kopa 313
    38 Thierry Henry 307
    39 Leonidas 239
    40 Matthias Sindelar 211
    41 Daniel Passarella 206
    42 Paolo Rossi 205
    43 Michael Laudrup 204
    44 Fritz Walter 200
    45 Rivaldo 195
    46 Sandor Kocsis 187
    47 Mario Kempes 186
    48 Juan Schiaffino 158
    49 Ladislao Kubala 156
    50 George Weah 153
    51 Dennis Bergkamp 147
    52 Gianluigi Buffon 144
    53 Falcao 140
    54 Luis Figo 136
    55 Luis Suarez Miramontes 132
    56 Roberto Carlos 131
    57 Johan Neeskens 130
    58 Socrates 129
    59 Gordon Banks 124
    60 Josef Bican 122
    61 Giacinto Facchetti 121
    62= Gabriel Batistuta 118
    62= Carlos Alberto 118
    64 Frank Rijkaard 117
    65 Nilton Santos 116
    66 Peter Schmeichel 115
    67 Xavi 110
    68= Teofilo Cubillas 106
    68= Gyorgy Sarosi 106
    70 Omar Sivori 102
    71 Cafu 100
    72 Sandro Mazzola 99
    73 Just Fontaine 98
    74 Gunnar Nordahl 95
    75 Adolfo Pedernera 94
    76 Kenny Dalglish 90
    77 Jozsef Bozsik 88
    78 Hristo Stoichkov 87
    79 Kevin Keegan 86
    80= Hugo Sanchez 82
    80= Andres Iniesta 82
    82= Jairzinho 77
    82= Jurgen Klinsmann 77
    84 Gheorghe Hagi 75
    85 Elias Figueroa 72
    86 Duncan Edwards 68
    87 Samuel Eto'o 67
    88 John Charles 65
    89 Uwe Seeler 63
    90 Djalma Santos 60
    91 Kaka 59
    92 Valentino Mazzola 56
    93 Fabio Cannavaro 55
    94 Matthias Sammer 54
    95= Dejan Savicevic 53
    95= Francesco Totti 53
    97 Lilian Thuram 52
    98 Alberto Ohaco 50
    99 Arthur Friedenreich 49
    100= Imre Schlosser 47
    100= Nandor Hidegkuti 47
    102 Enzo Francescoli 46
    103 Hector Scarone 43
    104 Cesar Cueto 42
    105 Gaetano Scirea 41
    106= Oldrich Nejedly 40
    106= Oliver Kahn 40
    108 Jose Leandro Andrade 39
    109 Arsenio Erico 37
    110 Luigi Riva 36
    111= Ernst Ocwirk 34
    111= Romerito 34
    111= Kazimierz Deyna 34
    114= Jose Nasazzi 30
    114= Luis Monti 30
    116 Dragan Dzajic 28
    117= Francisco Gento 26
    117= Ryan Giggs 26
    117= Carlos Valderrama 26
    117= Eddie Hapgood 26
    121= Junior 25
    121= Bruno Conti 25
    121= Amadeo Carizzo 25
    121= Alberto Spencer 25
    125= Piet Keizer 23
    125= Tom Finney 23
    125= Zbigniew Boniek 23
    128 Eric Cantona 22
    129= Paul Breitner 21
    129= Florian Albert 21
    131= Andriy Shevchenko 20
    131= Mario Zagallo 20
    133= Tostao 19
    133= Bebeto 19
    135 David Beckham 18
    136= Domingos Da Guia 17
    136= Albert Shesternyov 17
    138= Arjen Robben 16
    138= Rene Higuita 16
    140= Wim van Hanegem 14
    140= Paul Scholes 14
    142= Denis Law 13
    142= Oleg Blokhin 13
    144= Gunnar Gren 12
    144= Claudio Gentile 12
    144= Andrea Pirlo 12
    144= Steven Gerrard 12
    148= Raul 11
    148= Berti Vogts 11
    148= Jay-Jay Okocha 11
    148= Roger Milla 11
    152= Ian Rush 10
    152= Alessandro Del Piero 10
    152= Abedi Pele 10
    152= Anton Schall 10
    156= Emilio Butragueno 9
    156= Careca 9
    156= Nils Liedholm 9
    159= Sepp Maier 8
    159= Leandro 8
    159= Demetrio Albertini 8
    159= Hugo Sotil 8
    163= Gerson 7
    163= Alessandro Nesta 7
    163= Preben Elkjaer 7
    163= Marcel Desailly 7
    163= Neymar 7
    168= Ruud van Nistelrooy 6
    168= Wolfgang Overath 6
    168= Allan Simonsen 6
    171= Edgar Davids 5
    171= Ubaldo Fillol 5
    171= Fritz Szepan 5
    174= Wesley Sneijder 4
    174= Fernando Redondo 4
    174= Bryan Robson 4
    174= Dixie Dean 4
    178= Jorginho 3
    178= Hector Chumpitaz 3
    178= Roberto Donadoni 3
    181= Telmo Zarra 2
    181= Gary Lineker 2
    181= David Trezeguet 2
    181= Rob Rensenbrink 2
    185= Deco 1
    185= Marco Tardelli 1
    185= Rafael Marquez 1
    185= Murtaz Khurtsilava 1
    185= Steve Bloomer 1
     
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  2. stcv1974

    stcv1974 Member

    Liverpool FC
    Serbia
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Thanks for doing the update earlier than you originally said.
     
  3. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    No problem. I think everything is completely up to date now (for the original method voting anyway). We've got a pretty good sample of voters now, although as you say some did vote as long ago as 2009.
     
  4. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    I just spot out some obvious ... bias - I know it's not yours but the poll
     
  5. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    NYCFC - Napoli
    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Where is Jose' "El Maestro " Piendibene ?
     
  6. Once

    Once Member+

    Apr 16, 2011
    How good was Paul Van Himst? Does anyone know about him more than what wikipedia says?
    I ask because I saw he ranked quite high in the 1964 and 1965 Ballon d'Or votings (had been mentioned already in 1963), but I dont see that he would have had too extraordinary performances outside Belgium (not among the most important ones). I doubt that his excelling in the Belgian league alone would have been enough to get so much acclamation. Did he have some enshrining performances with the national team at the time or something? Was he simply THAT good? I wonder what made him rank 5th for the 1964 Ballon d'Or and 4th for the 1965 one.
     
  7. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    tell us more about him instead of asking!
     
  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Haha, nobody voted for him yet!
     
  9. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    NYCFC - Napoli
    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    He has been the first great player of a great national team ( Uruguay, of course : 20 goals in 41 caps and 3 Copa Americas won ). He wons 4 Uruguyan leagues and he has been one of the most important players in the world before of the First World War with Bloomer, Schlosser, Ohaco, Meredith, Woodward, Hampton etc.
     
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  10. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    You are really up on all this info about the old players. Maybe msioux has a good idea about some of these players but I think the question would maybe be most appropriately addressed to the user (zeze1929 was it - apologies for not checking) who voted Ohaco into first place.

    EDIT I guess you did notice Bloomer has a point now though.
     
  11. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    That one might be best answered by Puck as far as I can think - he's pretty good on the Belgians as well as of course the Dutch players.
     
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  12. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    thanks but I knew that from Wiki ... :p
     
  13. Once

    Once Member+

    Apr 16, 2011
    You are probably right. Hopefully @PuckVanHeel sees this...
     
  14. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Yeah, I remember that Ohaco 1st place too :)
    I guess Piendibene was rated higher than Ohaco in their era.
    I think i post it before, i saw once a peruvian mag at early 80s, cited a uruguayan ranking about the Peñarol All Time XI.
    From my memory, it was something like this:
    ---------------------------- Mazurkiewicz (60s)
    Pacheco (10s) ----- Martínez (50s) ----- J.Benincasa?? ----- Caetano??
    -------------------------------- Varela (40s)
    ------------------- Rocha??? ------------- Schiaffino (50s)
    ----- Ghiggia (50s) --------- Piendibene (10s) --------- Joya (60s)
     
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  15. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Most all-time teams for Penarol I have seen have Spencer as forward.
     
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  16. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Yeah!!
    And that was one of the things that amazed me.
    I just noticed how higher was Piendibene rated for old timers.
     
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  17. stcv1974

    stcv1974 Member

    Liverpool FC
    Serbia
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    You mean the poll i posted a few weeks ago?
     
  18. stcv1974

    stcv1974 Member

    Liverpool FC
    Serbia
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    I just wanted to say that that "greatest player ever" poll I posted a few weeks ago had ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on my rankings, because it just reflects general opinion and among the younger generations. This is my method:
    I looked at fifa player of the year award from 1991 till today (from 2010 fifa ballon d'or of course), from '82 till '91 i used world soccer player of the year and for the earlier years I combined france football ballon d'or , south american player of the year and dearman's player of the year awards. I gave 5 points for first place, 3 for second and 1 for third, as a tie breaker i used goals average at top level, trophies won at top level and dearman's all time greatest footballers list. At the and i gave myself freedom to give Maradona 4 additional points for 1986 world cup (best world cup performance ever), and to make some little changes like put rummenigge one place down, maradona one place up, and zico one place up.
    Oh and i always add 2 points on total for defenders and goalkeepeers since they are always underrated in these awards. For example some center back was 3. in one year and and 2. in another so he would have 4 points but I give him 2 additional so he has 6.
    I have done the awards only to 1958 so di stefano and puskas are put according to my opinion.
     
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  19. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    well that's very reasonable of your criteria :thumbsup:
     
  20. stcv1974

    stcv1974 Member

    Liverpool FC
    Serbia
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Thank you.
     
  21. stcv1974

    stcv1974 Member

    Liverpool FC
    Serbia
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    This is the list of combined top 50 lists from 2013 till today, every list on this thread is included that's from this period, except that Alberto Ohaco list(Dearman, Peru FC,ibm times, footbal fann, PDG1978, breitner's wig, di pecruydona, footballsquads.com list, but only as one vote, and my list).
    1.Pele 448
    2. Maradona 432
    3. Cruyff 421
    4. di Stefano 415
    5. Beckenbauer 406
    6. Messi 398
    7. Puskas 380
    7. Zidane 380
    9. Platini 375
    10. Best 363
    11.Ronaldo 351
    12. Eusebio 340
    13. Garrincha 335
    14. Zico 327
    15. Charlton 317
    16. Muller 286
    17. Matthaus 267
    18. van Basten 239
    19. Yashin 222
    20.C. Ronaldo 215
    21. Maldini 201
    22. Baggio 192
    23.Ronaldinho 185
    24. Meazza 184
    25. Gullit 177
    26. Romario 175
    26. Baresi 175
    28. Moore 172
    29. Rummenigge 169
    30. Rivera 161
    31. Didi 160
    32. Moreno 139
    33. Zoff 135
    34. Sindelar 122
    35. Matthews 111
    36. Zizinho 108
    37. Henry 99
    38. Luis Suarez Miramontes 98
    39. Rivelino 84
    40. Kopa 83
    41. Pedernera 66
    41. Laudrup 66
    43. Figo 62
    44. Weah 57
    45. Keegan 55
    46. Xavi 49
    47. Rivaldo 42
    48. Cannavaro 41
    49. Rijkaard 40
    50. Cafu 38
    51. Leonidas 36
    52. Kocsis 35
    52. Sarosi 35
    54. Schiaffino 34
    55. Charles 33
    55. V. Mazzola 33
    57. Kempes 32
    58. Fachetti 31
    59. Dalglish 30
    59. Neeskens 30
    61. N.Santos 28
    62. D. Santos 27
    63. Banks 26
    64. Fritz Walter 25
    64. Higenkuti 25
    66. Socrates 24
    66. Kubala 24
    66. Friedenreich 24
    69. Carlos Alberto 23
    69. Finney 23
    71. Savicevic 22
    72. Iniesta 21
    72. Buffon 21
    72. Albert 21
    72. Bergkamp 21
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    Gerrard 12
    Pirlo 12
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    I made this list so we can see where some active players would really rank. I wanted to salve the problem that this thread started in 2009 so a lot of votes are from long time ago. So it's safe to say that Messi's place is at number 6 between Beckenbauer and Puskas. C. Ronaldo in 13-14 list is at number 20 but since Maldini is on 09-14 list in front Yashin who is in front of CR7 here we can say that ronaldo's place should be 21 between Yashin and Romario. As for Xavi and Iniesta, it's really hard to find their real place but it would probably be somewhere between 50 and 60 for Xavi and for Iniesta between 60 and 70.
     
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  22. stcv1974

    stcv1974 Member

    Liverpool FC
    Serbia
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    For Iniesta between 70 and 80.
     
  23. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'll take your word for it mate re: the results (but everyone does that for my lists too - they should be 100% correct hopefully but every now and then I've realised a mistake and corrected it)!

    Good work.

    It does show a more 'current' feeling among voters. On the other hand a lot of knowledgeable and keen posters voted earlier so their votes obviously enhance the sample overall. Both lists are interesting to see anyway so thanks for doing that and contributing to the thread in a positive manner.
     
  24. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I suppose in terms of current players that list shows about the max positions according to the people on here generally, wheras the original standings show more of a minimum position (because some might revise their lists and raise them a fair bit in theory...but maybe not if they already placed them highish before and voted more on peak form).

    Anyway, it's still a contrast to the poll you showed us which was more of a 'modern/young fan' poll in effect I suppose. But those players do still achieve a high placing just using those 9 most recent votes.
     
  25. stcv1974

    stcv1974 Member

    Liverpool FC
    Serbia
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Thanks. I also want to say that there were a few ties in Footballsquads.com list so as a tiebreaker i used our 09-14 list. You say that some maybe voted on peak form, well that's the thing Messi's peak was 2011/12 same as Ronaldo's (some would say that his peak was last season), so votes from 09,10,11 couldn't have them on high places because they haven't shown their true peak or consistency i honestly think that Messi's true place would be 6. or 7. and Ronaldo's 21, 22. You can see that Garrincha is lower on 13-14 list than on 09-14 list, I think that shouldn't mean anything since the first list carries a lot more weight and this new was done primarily for active players and their estimated real placing.
     

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