Might take another 10 years to develop talent to match teams like Belgium

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  1. INKRO

    INKRO Member+

    Jul 28, 2011
    I'd like to think Garber and co. are better at management than the development trainwreck that the EPL is, yes.
     
  2. Sempuukyaku

    Sempuukyaku Member+

    Apr 30, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    The difference in salary pay between the EPL and MLS I would argue is fairly massive. Surely a raise to the salary cap so that we can at least compete with the Mexican teams is not going to hurt the USMNT any.


    Which brings me to my point. Who discovered D'Andre Yedlin? Seattle Sounders.

    Who discovered Jozy Altidore? New York Red Bulls.

    Who discovered Michael Bradley? New York Red Bulls.

    Who discovered Clint Dempsey? New England Revolution.


    The way for us to keep developing quality players, is for the USSF to heavily attack the AYSO club structure to make sure that at the very young levels, we're getting quality coaching....while at the same time strengthening and broadening the reach of the MLS youth acadamies. More resources need to go into getting more scouts for the MLS clubs so that they can truly mine the best talent not only from the more elite clubs, but also from some of the smaller clubs that may not have as much money to travel.
     
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  3. Razzo

    Razzo Member

    Jul 1, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Why doesnt MLS remove the salary cap. Also, we need to have more youth academies
     
  4. dundee9

    dundee9 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    A lot of people don't want to hear it but the franchise system and the lack of a pro/rel pyramid is the biggest thing that prevents us from developing more and better players. When you limit your clubs you limit how many academies you have.
     
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  5. LinksterAC

    LinksterAC Member

    Jun 30, 2008
    San Diego
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A "minor league" structure like baseball's will accomplish a lot of the same things.
     
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  6. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So will you be paying for that with cashier's check or bank transfer?
     
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  7. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most we don't want to hear it because it's (1) not happening and (2) not true. But mostly #1.

    It's up there with "the US should play more three-legged wingers."
     
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  8. shyamg22

    shyamg22 New Member

    Jul 17, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It will take way longer than 1o years...25-30 if progress goes well.

    Belgium is arguably the most talented side left in the tournament in aggregate from back to front.
     
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  9. ETSC

    ETSC Member

    Jul 5, 2004
    The problem isn't the talent pool. Take Landon, Sigi Schmid and the next 22 best MLS squaddies and they're a good bet to get out of group. USA has gotten out of group four of the last seven cups. The problem? Apparently they can only beat Mexico in the knockouts. Maybe we should fire Jurgen and hire il Bruce.
     
  10. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    usl pro
     
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  11. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    ok your crazy literally your saying we have to wait for someone to be be born 5 years from now to become world class lol. Id say 4-8
     
  12. LinksterAC

    LinksterAC Member

    Jun 30, 2008
    San Diego
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hasn't the revamp already happened at the youth level?

    Our U-17 look like they're playing against a bunch of U-14 when they hit the field. Obviously, that doesn't necessarily translate to success at the pro-level, but surely it's a positive reflection on the changes that have been made in youth soccer over the past several years.

    The process isn't over, but there simply wasn't enough money in soccer domestically to change a lot at once. That's definitely changing. The World Cup was a ratings hit, and MLS just tripled its TV contract. That means more money, more competition, and the demand for better cheap players (in the form of domestically developed talent).

    Listen to Gulati (at least when it comes to the economics of soccer in the USA). I think he understands that that the market drives all of this. There has to be a market for the product, which is what US Soccer has been trying to develop since 1994. His comments recently have basically indicated that we've passed a tipping point. There is enough demand for the product now to fund a truly world class development infrastructure. The success of the 2014 World Cup will only add to that.

    From where I sit, it looks like we're about 4-8 years away from having a glut of really talented players coming out.
     
  13. DutchFootballRulez

    Jul 15, 2003
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This argument is flawed. The fullbacks they used today were crap. Vertonghen is only effective against wingers that played like crap (Zusi) pinching in, crap first touch. They have several good centrebacks, Kompany being the best, Alderweireld is underrated, but they've developed a golden generation.

    The weakness is the midfield, Fellaini is just a palm tree. Witsel is probably the better player, de Bruyne put us to the sword but had we a midfielder with any sort of poise, panache, and enough technique to make the Belgian midfield actually work the match would've gone differently. Belgium's attack was pedestrian, Hazard is only good when running into space, Mertens didn't do much they've no defensive capabilities its just our setup was far too defensive to actually hurt them through the center.
     
  14. dundee9

    dundee9 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alex Ferguson (and every Italian, Briton, German who watches football) disagrees with you.
     
  15. dundee9

    dundee9 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    No, it would not. Because a minor league system wouldn't get as much fan support for its clubs that a pro/rel system would.
     
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  16. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    10 years? Hahahahahaha! That's a best case scenario.

    In reality, it takes generations to develop world-class talent! Look at the Spaniards.
     
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  17. shyamg22

    shyamg22 New Member

    Jul 17, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    And it is stupid to rate players on the back of one match or one tournament. It's like saying james rodriguez is better than ronaldo - i would rather have excellence for 9 months of the year and be missing for one - how many top performances have we seen in international tournaments, only to have lackluster club careers? Not saying james is a bad player - i think he'll become very good, but judging talents on the back of one tourney or one match is asinine.

    Hazard is world class with the potential to one day be the most expensive footballer on the planet. Curtois is already a top 3 keeper on the planet and could easily be the best in the world one day.

    Vertonghen is a centerback and a damn good one. Kompany is absolutely a top 5 CB on the planet. Januzaj IMO is better than mertens or mirralas and doesn't even start for them. He's another 30 million pound footballer in the making.

    Add up the value of what clubs value the belgian side and it dwarfs many teams.

    then again, it seems most americans are interested in making a USMNT that does well in the world cup - that's the flawed way of looking at it.

    One should look to developing top top talents for the club game and then the national team benefits as a result and this is more sustainable.
     
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  18. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They agree that the US is going to institute pro-rel? Are they creating all the teams and leagues themselves to compete with MLS, or is it more of a syndicate of investors?
     
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  19. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Link?
     
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  20. dundee9

    dundee9 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    link to what?
     
  21. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The credible empirical analyses of potential levels of US fan support for each of the two systems.
     
  22. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    This is the USA we are immensely populated. NBA produces world class player every other year and multiple a year most times. We just need to perfect the youth system and get better coaches and we will be the best nation easy
     
  23. LinksterAC

    LinksterAC Member

    Jun 30, 2008
    San Diego
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Give me the population density of Western Europe, and delete the mobility of the average USA citizen, and I'll give you a promotion/relegation system. Americans are too spread out, and move too often. There are very few cross-town rivalries because of this, and this neighborhood affiliation is what drives a lot of the promotion/relegation system. I argue that approach just isn't marketable in the United States.

    Minor league teams get plenty of local support, but they are largely funded by the parent pro franchise. Their function is to catch and develop young talent. I don't see why that wouldn't work just as well for soccer.
     
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  24. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, that's all? Sweet.

    Nobody tell China or India, though. Because then they'll easily beat us at soccer and basketball.
     
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  25. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    too bad no as many people play soccer in those nations, and their leagues are a joke. especially china's match fixing plagued league, and yes its that easy
     

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