23 Tickets to Brazil

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by flem16, May 18, 2011.

  1. John McGuirk

    John McGuirk Member+

    Jun 12, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with everything else. On your list, I'd trade Ream or Onyewu for Wondolowski.
     
  2. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see Agudelo getting 30th slot to help his Work Permit hearing with Stoke.
     
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  3. FW__

    FW__ Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Objectify women? Please. That's hardly what I did, and if you knew me personally, you'd know I'm the last person who would objectify women. Commenting on a woman's looks is not objectifying women, but way to set woman's rights back 50 years. Either way, I'm sorry I brought it up because it didn't have a place in this forum since it had nothing to do with this discussion, and I'm dropping it for that reason.
     
  4. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I'm fine with that ... as long as he makes the final 23.​
     
  5. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I share @Marko72's view. I was also very down on Robles early last year. While he was always an amazing shot stopper with very good athleticism, he was prone to poor decisions and gaffes early last year. However, those stopped by early summer and he's been nothing short of good to excellent since then. A look through his transfermarkt game logs back to Germany suggests a reason for this is simply games. He is playing consistently and has more successive games (and combined games) for NYRB than any other point in his career. He is only 29 and I think he is a better keeper than Johnson, Hamid, Seitz, McMath or Tally Hall.
     
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  6. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Kasey Keller probably still is too. Damning with faint praise and all that. ;)
     
  7. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is not that commenting on a woman's looks is inherently objectifying by itself (though it can often lead that way). You provided your assessment of whether Bethany Dempsey was worth the "hassle" of having 1998 redux (sexual affair/team chemistry disruption) based entirely on her looks and body. You have reduced her worth (measured the risk) based on these superficial characteristics. Therefore, she is reduced to an object in this simple formulation (body and looks=sexable/notsexable) and not a subject or person.

    There might be all manner of other reasons why she could be worth the hassle--maybe shes really generous and interesting, funny, intelligent and well read, kind and compassionate.
     
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  8. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I haven't forgiven Kasey for goal number 1 verses Czech Republic in 2006.
     
  9. FW__

    FW__ Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Fine. For that, I'm sorry if that makes everyone happy. In all honesty I didn't eve realize I had said that. That was made 100% as a joke and a knock on Harkes, not Clint's wife, and not meant in the way it obviously came across to some people since that is not the person that I am. I'm done, since I cannot believe I'm spending time defending myself on here. It was a joke a that obviously went wrong.
     
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  10. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How was the first goal Keller's fault? A driven cross followed by a bullet header. Not sure what he could have done.

    Pope getting shoved by Koller gave him the space he needed.

     
  11. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    He outkicked the entire team, turning the ball back over immediately when half our midfield and backline was out of position.
     
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  12. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In that scenario I would absolutely take him to Brazil. Maybe someone starts over him, but after Rimando IMO he's very close.
     
  13. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is no way EJ is left out. I would include EJ instead of GOOCH.
     
  14. camasterton

    camasterton Member

    Jun 26, 2001
    North Carolina
    I like this 30 the best (give or take a two) and hope there is true competition. The goal is to win. No old players injured or prone to injury, just cause they're "owed". If the USMNT staff cannot find for instance-in form FBs and less than 30 years old, instead of out of form, long toothed, playing out of position fillers- than they're not very perceptive. If you're gonna bring a player because he's a "locker room guy"and the Team needs them, why is a habitually bad, locker room complainer allowed to go? Why one bad apple over any other? I have doubts about who among the pool will be allowed to compete. All that should matter is the now and who is the best weapon to employ. Klinsmann has some really dynamic options to coach up. He has consistently talked about how he wants and how the USMNT needs competition within the team. I hope he allows the competition to happen.
     
  15. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To play devils advocate for a second on the bolded.

    This was not any where close to the Omar wedding picture fiasco IMO, where people took pot shots for no reason

    Bethany Dempsey chose to pose for an incredibly popular issue of Sports Illustrated that for decades its sole purpose is to objectify the beauty of the human form (99% of which has been female).

    I don't think anyone should be given crap for commenting on a persons looks when they offer themselves up for judgement in such a well known and public manner.

    On the other hand, the individuals that commented on Omar's wife's looks in his wedding picture should be given loads of crap.
     
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  16. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    On what basis are people thinking Gooch has any shot?
     
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  17. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I still haven't forgiven Robles for his shocker against Haiti in 2009 and I watch him every week! :p
     
  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    A belief that decent form for a bad Championship side is worth more than playing consistently well in MLS. Also, nostalgia.
     
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  19. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I don't think he should be in the 30, but the thinking is probably that he just got called into the Ukraine camp in March so surely he's somewhere near that cutoff.
     
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  20. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He has a shot for the 30.

    Assuming these guys are all in the 30:
    CBs - Besler, Goodson and Gonzalez,
    Def that can play CB - Parkhurst and Cameron

    I think there is room for 1 or possibly 2 more CBs to make the 30.
    It's between Gooch, Ream, Orozco or Brooks.

    I think it's Brooks and Orozco that go, but Gooch still has a shot.
     
  21. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    I guess. Although to me that callup was always more about the fact that he happens to play in Europe and they needed an extra CB, and not anything to do with his current level of play.

    Nothing about Gooch's play puts him in a conversatoin with Orozco, and that's really saying something. He's got about as much chance as Ream does, which is about zero, and less than Brooks, who has upside.
     
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  22. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    aha! we finally agree on something today!
     
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  24. Goldtone

    Goldtone Member+

    Aug 8, 2013
    California
    Club:
    Udinese Calcio
    I agree, there really was no one else for the Ukarine game and he was showing some hope of returning, but it is clear he is now done. I have not seen Ream play, but I think he has a better shot now. Brooks and Ream may very well be in the 30.
     
  25. dcole

    dcole Member+

    May 27, 2005
    Context is important though. Let's say someone started a thread (presumably in the US Men's forum rather than this one, which someone surely did) about the Sports Illustrated issue and posted a picture of Dempsey's wife. I think that's fair game. She put herself out there for judgment solely on the basis of her looks and I wouldn't really object to people taking that bait and opining on how she looked, good or bad. But to randomly post in a thread about the 23 man roster for Brazil that you think Dempsey's wife's face is "meh," in that context I think it's out of bounds. Just because you pose for SI swimsuit doesn't mean that people should be able to take out-of-context pot shots at your looks for the rest of your life.

    (Hat's off to @FW__ for the mea culpa, by the way.)
     
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