Which country has the best collection of young talent in the world

Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by puertorricane, Jul 8, 2013.

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Top countries and some of their best young players feel free to add others with your posts.

  1. Germany: Gotze 21, Ter Stengen 21, Schurrle 22, Jung 23, Lewis Holtby 21, Julian Draxler 19

    19.2%
  2. Spain: Thiago 22, Isco 21, Canales 22, Rodrigo 22, Deulofeu 20, De Gea 22, Tello 21, Koke 21

    10.9%
  3. England: Wilshire 21, Chamberlain 19, Sterling 18, McEacharan 20, Phil Jones 21, Welbeck 22

    2.6%
  4. Brasil: Neymar 21, Moura 20, Bernard 20, Costa 22, Marquinhos 18, Coutinho 21, Nem 21, Piazon 19

    12.8%
  5. Colombia: Quintero 20, James 21, Luis Muriel 22, Jhon Cordoba 20, Brayan Perea 20

    3.2%
  6. Argentina: Lamela 21, Peruzzi 21, Centurion 20, Rogelio Funes 22, Iturbe 20, Ocampos 18, Araujo 21

    1.9%
  7. Belgium: Hazard 21, Lukaku 20, Courtis 21, De Bruyne 22, Benteke 22, Lestienne 21, Boyata 22

    23.1%
  8. Uruguay: Gaston 22, Coates 22, Abel 22, Rolan 20, Vecino 21, Texeira 22, Bueno 20, Aguirre 18

    0.6%
  9. Ghana: Jordan Ayew 21, Cofie 22, Atsu 21, Badu 22, Wakaso 22, Waris 21, Boakye 20, Frimpong 21

    0.6%
  10. Mexico:Bueno 19, Jonathan 23 , D Reyes 20, Aquino 23, Raul J. 22, Pulido 22, Araujo 21, U Davila 22

    7.7%
  11. France: Fofana 22, Varane 20, M'vila 23, Pogba 20, Sakho 23, Grenier 22, Niang 18, Guilavogui 22

    3.8%
  12. Nigeria: Moses 22, Oduamadi 22, Musa 20, Obi 22, Oboabona 22, Omeruro 19, Onazi 20

    0.6%
  13. Italy:Veratti 21, Balotelli 22, Sciglio 20, Shaarawy 20, Santon 22, Destro 22, Borini 22, Insigne 22

    6.4%
  14. Other: Explain on your post the country and list the players

    6.4%
  1. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    So, Mexico reached back to back finals!
     
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  2. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Sure.

    I never said Mexico's kids are all that good. Just pointed out a major flaw in your logic when you criticized the poster who gave them a whole lot credit.
     
  3. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Problem is that he gave them credit based blindly on tournament results. Not on actually paying attention to the talent of the country.
     
  4. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    lol.........yeah who cares about tournament results!
     
  5. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    So do you believe Mexico will win the World Cup in 2018? Since previous tournament results are a tell all for future talents...
     
  6. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Exactly. There are countries that win all these youth tournaments but their players never amount to anything. Apparently Ghana's best young player is at the Marseille team that lost all six champions league games.
     
  7. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Andre Ayew? Jordan Ayew? Neither are Ghana's best young player (especially not Jordan), but Andre Ayew was by far the best player on Marseille's team scoring 2 goals in 4 games. Unfortunately for him this isn't a one-man sport.
     
  8. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    Rana Catesb already answered this :rolleyes:
     
  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Never? It's not like North Korea and Namibia are winning these u-20 World cups. Obviously there's no guarantee that winning a u-2o WC means you'll win a particular one-off cup match 5 years later, but to deny that a correlation exists is equally dumb.
     
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  10. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    I asked you not him, he already answered me
     
  11. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    His answer was pretty good. But if you want me to elaborate, No I don´t think Mexico will win the WC in 2018(no nation can guarantee winning the 2018 WC) but maybe Mexico can have a great WC. Mexico has never been so dominant in world in youth tournaments before.
     
  12. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Ok so do you believe Mexico has a better youth group than Brazil which in turn means they'll have a better chance in a WC than Brazil in 2018?
     
  13. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico


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  14. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    This statement is false! Rana Catesb and myself have already made it known:rolleyes:
     
  15. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    This is a question not a statement... a question can't be false... but good try at avoiding to answer a simple question.

    This answer who won the tournament.. not the question which was asked.

    I'm still expecting and answer to

     
  16. coyoteman33

    coyoteman33 Member

    Jan 2, 2010
    PDX, OR, USA
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have to go with Belgium. It seems like all their young players are signing with big European clubs.
     
  17. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I don´t agree with your question.....as I have stated!! But just to shut you up I´m going to answer YES!
     
  18. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    LOL

    no such thing as not agreeing with a question. What do you think it was poorly stated or worded, or maybe it has no basis for the question?

    I mean seriously... you can take the 5th amendment if you want to since what you don't agree with is having to answer the question and opening yourself up for follow up questions.

    once again, your base for Mexico will be the best team in 2018 is their youth system which has won.

    Reality is.. Mexico has more honors than Brazil in the U-23 team. Brazil hasn't won anything in their U-23 team since 1987. While Mexico has been collecting honours.

    Mexico Olympic 2012
    Pan-American 1967, 1975 (shared), 1999, 2011

    Brazil Pan-American 1963, 1975 (shared), 1979, 1987

    Now.. who has the more successful senior team and how did their winning of U-23 tournaments relate to their Senior success? or do you also not agree with the question once more?

    You can make a better case if you add the U-20
    Brazil U-20 WCs - 1983, 1985, 1993, 2003, 2011
    U-20 South American Champs - 74, 83, 85, 88, 91, 92, 95, 01, 07, 09, 11
    Mexico U-20 Concacaf Champs - 62, 70, 73, 74, 76, 78, 80, 84, 90, 92, 11, 13

    But then again.. the teams winning those U-20 WCs didn't win anything in the U-23 for Brazil, so it didn't translate winning a competition into winning on the next level.

    Mexico twice WC Champ!! 05 and 11!
    Brazil 3 times! 1997, 1999, 2003!

    ok 1997 they had Ronaldinho and Fabio (GK) which translated into the senior team members. But they also had Matuzalem, Gaviao, Fabio Pinto and a bunch of other players which didn't even come close to making the Senior
    maybe 1999 is where the 2002 winners came out of! lets see

    Adriano!!! There! we found the great link between success and youth squads!! 1 player out of the U-17 to the senior squad!

    not good enough? let's see 03.... Cesc played for Spain in the Finals.. oh wrong team sorry.. no players made the senior team.


    Is that enough of a proof to you that youth squads usually don't translate into winning at the senior level? The ones that do are the exceptions, not the other way around.
     
  19. German Bear

    German Bear New Member

    Jan 9, 2014
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Germany I think has the most young talent. There are a lot more young talent then what is on this poll. They have Reus, Muller Kroos, Hummels, Ozil, and Badstuber. I pretty sure that i'm leaving a few out. This is why they are the country to reckon with, not Brazil or Spain.
     
  20. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Your question can´t be wrong, I can´t disagree with it..........LMAO!! the rest of your post.....didn´t bother to read it!!
     
  21. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    When the very first thing you write is a person cannot disagree with any question......ROTFLMAO!!!!

    I imagine the rest of the post is just as stupid!
     
  22. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    AN answer can be wrong... question is an inquire.

    so what you're saying is...

    there is such a thing as disagreeing with somebody asking for information. ... you guys need to have at least a bit of a clue of what a question is... you can ASK whatever you want, it won't make it false.. an answer might be false a question.. not really.
     
  23. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    When I made this poll I specifically made the cutoff age at being born in 1990 or later. All those players you mentioned are older. I know is an arbitrary date but you have to make the cutoff somewhere. If not then you'll have people listing Di Maria, Messi, arguero and even Higuain for Argentina, who are all in their 20s as well.


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  24. MrOranjeBal

    MrOranjeBal Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    Club:
    AZ
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Objection. Leading question.
     
  25. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Tournament results have to be part of the criteria when judging talent but not the only one. But especially when going against other top youths from other countries is a good measure of talent. Youths from certain countries get more media attention and more hype just for being from those countries. Brasil and Argentina are two perfect examples. Any youth that comes from there and shows a little bit of talent gets labeled the next big thing. European clubs pay a ton for them and then stack them in small clubs on loan spells for years. Yet those kids are view as top future talent even thought they are playing lowly clubs on loans. If you take the results all out and pay no attention to them then you be just going by hype and reputation instead of facts. Is like the youth from Spain that every kid coming up is labeled the next xavi or iniesta but the results havent been there on the international stage. Lets just crown every Spain youth as the best ever from now on since results dont matter.


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