Who will become Oklahoma City's top rivals?

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  1. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just to get us back on track...

    Since San Antonio seems a natural rival, should we look into a traveling cup? and any ideas on that?
     
  2. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Sounds like something we could explore? There are several groups out there (Red Dirt Brigade) or we could form our own booster club like the Oklahoma City Wranglers (outdoor team, played in Taft) use to do when we took bus trips to San Antonio and Albuquerque? A Red River Cup or something of that nature would be a great promotion for both cities. Any trophy manufacturer (eg., Midwest Trophy) would be happy to craft something.
     
  3. ManuSooner

    ManuSooner Member+

    Nov 15, 2007
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I-35 Cup? Sounds like a good starting point.
     
  5. FCjason

    FCjason Member

    Jul 25, 2013
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A bunch of jokes come to mind with a name like Teamen. I bet they had a bunch of inappropriate mock logo ideas too. I'm sure that's why they never made it...
     
  6. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    #31 Laramie, Sep 15, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2013
    LMAO! The type of tea bag tales and jokes you couldn't repeat on a message board. That's why we need to expand on that 'I-35' Cup or it could become the brunt of a lot of jokes.

    Back to San Antonio? Think about a good theme throphy name we could use which would be appropriate for Oklahoma City and SA? Something without that Alamo flavor...
     
  7. FCjason

    FCjason Member

    Jul 25, 2013
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like... Texoma Cup and River Walk Cup or Canal Cup
     
  8. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Red Dirt Brigade is already working with the NASL team ; it's almost a lock that we'd continue at the Taft.

    Before we pick a name, we would of course need the Crocketeers' input - I'll actually be meeting with some of them in a few weeks, and with other supporters in Atlanta. However, I personally LOVE the River Walk Cup.
     
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  9. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Something to do with the fact that both cities have a riverwalk or canalwalk.

    Hope that this doesn't cripple the discussion. Do we want to encourage posters to foster ideas for input; or is this for the Crocketeers to decide?
     
  10. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both - I'd like to get an RDB meeting sometime in November or December. And if we get a rivalry going, I want the fans of both sides to own it.
     
  11. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Thanks, Brother Badgerjohn!

    San Antonio are our best rivalry so far. Tulsa would be a more aggressive knock-down drag out fight.

    Discovered this from some old link in my collection of caliginous junk:

    "A Tale of Two Cities."

    "Oklahoma City was this old, dried-up, oilfield whore, and we're this shining, art deco gem," Wallis said, describing that mindset. "Sort of the bluebloods and the rednecks."

    "Tulsa, perhaps for the first time in decades, has been playing catch-up with its sister city down the Turner Turnpike. And that fact is hard to swallow for a number of its residents."
    "Oklahoma City has made a lot of progress," said Randle, now the director of the Center for Studies in Democracy and Culture at the University of Oklahoma campus in Tulsa. "It's become a much more dynamic and active community. There's a lot less for us to look down our noses at than there used to be."

    The fued between Tulsa and Oklahoma City is probably one of the most blood-thirsty rivalries you see among any two cities within the same state.

    Although this was written in 2009; it wouldn't take much to fuel this arch-rivalry.

    http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid:28080
     
  12. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Interesting that San Antonio would joke about Oklahoma City's Bricktown Canal; at least we are able to clean the canal every two years. You wouldn't believe what I saw floating in the green water of the SA Riverwalk? I'm not one to gossip, and you didn't hear that from me (laughing)...

    "The Bricktown Canal might be artificial and might be the subject of jokes, but it was conceived by progressive forces in Oklahoma City who saw, specifically, how much the Paseo del Rio in San Antonio served as the foundation of a tourist and convention economy now worth an estimated $13 billion a year. I still remember during Mayor Bill Thornton’s administration in the mid-1990s traveling with a city-led delegation to Monterrey, where San Antonio engineers were overseeing an urban canal project similar to the one they were overseeing in Oklahoma City while also working on the expanded Convention Center stretch of the River Walk.
    Oklahoma City, like San Antonio, is still a city trying to make its core central district one that will attract and keep smart, educated young people. Oklahoma City 20 years ago didn’t stand a chance. Now it does. So while the Spurs are taking on the Thunder, we can bait our Red River neighbors with cheap put-downs, or we can spend time between games learning from a regional sister city that can teach us a lot about vision, cohesiveness and tenacity — at least off the basketball court".

    http://therivardreport.com/way-more-than-ok-oklahoma-city-is-a-city-to-embrace-not-bash/
     
  13. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Judging by some of the lastest behind the scene movements there could be a Tulsa entry into the NASL accompanying OKC & Jax in 2015.
     
  14. JeffIsInTexas

    JeffIsInTexas New Member

    Aug 16, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It would make sense for the NASL to add a third team in 2015 with OKC and Jacksonville to even out the league. Hopefully it will be Tulsa and there will be a true Oklahoma derby.
     
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  15. Alistair Fannell

    Aug 13, 2013
    Springfield, Missouri
    Club:
    AC St. Louis
  16. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    #41 Laramie, Oct 7, 2013
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2013
    Good stuffs Alistair Fannell,

    A soccer-specific stadium that seats 10,000-12,000 fans would cost in the neighborhood of $50 million-$60 million. Lund said it would be built with the idea of expansion to more than 20,000 seats in hopes of eventually landing an MLS franchise.

    "There's no doubt in my mind that Tulsa would be a very successful MLS city, just like it was a very successful NASL franchise back 30 years ago," Lund said. "The times have obviously changed. We need to build ourself back up to the major league level of soccer, but there's no doubt in my mind that Tulsa would do that."

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_7e301e19-ba72-59d7-9bf9-54a73706b386.html

    Glad someone in Tulsa is thinking outside the box. A soccer specific stadium would be great or a retrofit of Drillers' Stadium in Tulsa to accommodate 12,000 would get Tulsa back into the MLS mix.

    Cities like Tulsa, Richmond and Rochester would be ideal for cities in the 1 to 1.3 million metro range to support soccer. All of these cities have a soccer base and with no major professional sports to compete for the sports dollars available; these cities would be a good investment.​

    A rivarly with Tulsa and San Antonio or a three way melee among Tulsa, San Antonio & Oklahoma City would be great for the NASL. The future drawback could be the success of these programs and the MLS expanding and choosing to go into one or two of these cities.

    My hope is that the MLS would eventually merge with NASL and form one big mega soccer league. Those cities who could produce a future soccer specific stadium in the NASL would be primed for the merger.​
     
  17. adoptedsooner

    adoptedsooner Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    Norman
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Problem with Rochester is they already NASL once to stay with USL. I haven't heard anything about them making the switch. However, the other cities you list would be good fits for NASL.

    I've been hearing some buzz about Tulsa getting a team. I understand that there were a few cities/groups at the July NASL AGM. I've heard the next set of expansion presentations is set for November.

    It would be nice to see Tulsa join the league followed by some places closer to OKC like Albuquerque, St. Louis, Austin, and Wichita. Also, I've always thought that Omaha could be a good fit because of their stadium.

    But really who knows with expansion.
     
  18. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    What happened to St. Louis? They are listed on the expansion thread along with Baltimore, Indy Eleven, Oklahoma City, Ottawa Fury FC and Virginia Calvary.
     
  19. Kolyn

    Kolyn Member

    May 15, 2012
    Waterford, Ireland
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    The St Louis and Baltimore threads are left over from the days when AC St Louis and Crystal Palace Baltimore were around.
     
  20. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    I believe that USL-Pro teams are pretty much locked in, so switching from USL to NASL is incredibily complicated
     
  21. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Thanks!

    Is there a possibility that either of these cities (St. Louis/Baltimore) will be revisited by the NASL or would these cities be more in line for an MLS espansion bid? Baltimore would be in DC United's area.​
     
  22. adoptedsooner

    adoptedsooner Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    Norman
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a good question. I don't think there's a simple answer to it. I did some digging on the potential Baltimore stadium that was handled by the Maryland Stadium Authority. Here is a link to a story about the study they did back in 2010: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/dc/study-dc-united-move-to-md-rev.html. There is a link to their study on DC United's website but it's been disabled. That may be because the team agreed to a deal earlier this with the city of DC to build an SSS at Buzzard Point.

    Who knows with St. Louis. That city seems to be ill-fated in pro soccer endeavors. After the Cooper/AC St. Louis debacle potential investors probably see too many red flags to jump in at this point. Although the second division appears to be stable at present, the team folded in 2010, which was only three years ago.

    If I was investor, here are the numbers that would worry me the most. First, the team averaged only 2,750 people per game. Second, the stadium's capacity is 6,000 people. Simple arithmetic shows the attendance was 45.83% of their capacity.
     
  23. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City

    Yes, there are a lot of variables involved which complicates a St. Louis MLS entry. St. Louis' market can't be gauged by minor league soccer's success or failure.

    IMO the St. Louis area is ready to be tapped; the fan base will support big league soccer if the right owner is willing to invest in that market. Kansas City would be an instant rival. The new NASL would also be an option.​
     
  24. adoptedsooner

    adoptedsooner Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    Norman
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You raise good points. I think St. Louis will always be in the expansion conversation until a team is there. It has a lot going for it with the history, location and size. But just like in OKC and everywhere else, there must be an owner or owners with the drive and dime to first get a team and then support it at the necessary level.
     
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  25. ChuckDzzNutz

    ChuckDzzNutz Member

    Jan 27, 2012
    Florida
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Although I realize it certainly won't be a geographical rivalry, I think it only makes since that OKC's expansion brethren Jacksonville will be a rival both on and off the field.. With them currently being the only two teams scheduled to enter the league in 2015, there is no way that the they won't be constantly compared to one another, performance wise, attendance, etc . . . Granted, Jacksonville will already have two teams in the state of Florida, and another (Atlanta) just a few hours north, however, I have serious doubts that the Silverbacks will be in existence much longer . . . Not just because they are still owned by Traffic, but also MLS is on the loom in the ATL.
     
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