Review: Does 4-2-3-1 hurt young strikers' chance in Germany noadays? Causing this striker drought?

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Kirsten19, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Plenty of Bundesliga teams use strikers though..and if they are good enough they would break through and be nurtured. German clubs are very good at spotting potential. It's just that there is a gap of good striking talent coming through now but that will change because these things are cyclical. It's not more complicated than that.
     
  2. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    They do use strikers but they prefer to play safe and bringing in proven/experienced foreign strikers to play at that lone CF position. CF is the position where clubs are willing to spend big money on. And this happens every summer. Under such scenario, teams are less likely to play the young local strikers, simply because they are less proven, it's more than they are bad n has no potential.

    Like the latest transfer, Werder Bremen brought in Di Santo n, now Füllkrug has become 3rd option striker again. So he either got benched or needa play on the flanks. It's a waste of his well-rounded talent n potential to be a good striker.

    Problem is, when do the strikers have a chance and really play at the CF spot? Showing well in training ground will make them start over the big money signings? If the 1st striker option (usually more experienced/proven) is sold, they'll spend big money on another star CF, it's not gonna help the young German strikers. And that's why we couldn't find a NT calibre CF in last 7 years since Gomez

    One-striker formation n teams buying strategy are not encouraging ping strikers chance, especially at club level. They are putting young strikers in very difficult situation
     
  3. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But you're still missing the point. If the young players are good enough they will be nurtured, even if big stars arrive. The Bundesliga is known to do that even with strikers. The point with Füllkrug is simply that management doesn't trust him enough and maybe they are right. He certainly hasn't looked promising when I've seen him.

    We couldn't find a Klose replacement because there was no such talent available as there are in other positions, not because that position wasn't encouraged. There are many teams domestically that have young or German strikers but 1. they aren't good enough and 2. it doesn't lend itself to not play to your team's strengths when you don't adapt tactically which often means either play without one or invest in proven foreign talent.
     
  4. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    If u ask the Werder Bremen fans like @hackespitze123 @"Eisenfuß" Eilts , u will have a better understanding of Fullkrug's game.

    I dunno how many games u've seen from Fullkrug, but he played well for Werder Bremen throughout the preseason(other than the German Cup game).

    At 6'2", Fullkrug has good pace n agility for his size, is technically solid, can create for teammates (Petersen in many cases), and he really has a poacher instinct for goals n has the composure to make clincal finishing.

    But since Petersen, who is proven/more expereinced, is their No.1 striker, Fullkrug was probably their #2 striker before the Di Santo signing. Werder Bremen signed Di Santo doesnt mean they think he is not good enough. In fact, his allround skill-set n potential makes Werder Bremen think Fullkrug can play as a winger rather than being a #2/#3 striker option (who wont play much as #2/#3 striker nowadays). But thats definitely not his best position

    Ducksch n Timo Werner, two young strikers with skyhigh ceiling, were used as wingers too becoz they have more expereinced/proven star strikers ahead liek Lewandowski n Ibisevic. Clubs see their potential, dont wanna leave them on the bench so used them as AMs rather

    Please bare in mind, Striker is a position where Teams are willing to invest heavily on., rather than taking risk on young strikers no matter how talented they are. If clubs think they are talent/good enough to play, it wont be ahead of the foreign big money signing/bigger names....they will be transforming from CF to AMs. Like Thomas Mueller, Aaron Hunt n Kevin Volland are some examples.

    Talent is crucial but they need be given chances at their best/natural position to fulfill their potential. With teams usually have a proven/more experienced Cfs ahead (Lewandowski/Ibisevic) its not easy for them to won the battle for that only CF spot in the pitch

    But in Fullkrug, Ducksch n Timo Werner case, it will be a waste of their raw talent to play them out wide. Complete striker, with complete package at the CF spot, can be star strikers for Germany. Good Size, pace, killer instinct, creativity, composure n clincial finishing.
     
  5. timh19

    timh19 Member+

    Jul 26, 2011
    You seem to forget that Petersen is German and playing as a 1st choice central striker. How about that ? In day 1 of the Bundesliga, there were German strikers starting :
    Petersen - Werder
    Kiessling- Leverkusen
    Kruse- Gladbach
    Hanke - Freiburg
    Ginczek - Nuernberg
    Polter - Mainz
    Also, Sven Schipplock at Hoffenheim came on in the second half and played as a central striker. If Helmes was fit, he would start for Wolfsburg.
     
  6. SlantNGo

    SlantNGo Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Fuellkrug is playing as a winger out of necessity to Werder Bremen. They play 4-3-3 and have only 2 legit wingers, Elia and Arnautovic. Hunt and Ekici have been tried as wingers also. Instead of signing another winger, they sign another CF, so Fuellkrug's best shot at playing time is on the wings as a backup for Elia and Arno. They're both big enough headcases that Fuellkrug should get plenty of playing time as a backup if he performs well.
     
  7. Donauwelle

    Donauwelle Member

    Oct 10, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Müller never was a CF. That is a misconception used here. In his youth he always was a right winger apart from times in the second year of the U19 and U23 when he was used as a hanging striker.

    He has the instincts for it - and maybe somewhen in his career they will permanently start to use him there - but somehow that would be a waste of his skills, too.
     
  8. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    See?

    When Fuellkrug is generally seen as a hot protspect, has high ceiling and great potential as he is the modern type striker who has a rare combination of size, pace, skills, creativity, killer intinct inside the box n clinal finsihing............Werder Bremen still wanna play him, it doesnt mean he isnt ready for professional games. But since there is only one starting CF spot, team will be using the talented striker on the flanks rather than giving them chances at the CF spot, in favor of the more expereinced/proven foreign CF or other big money signing. Volland is apparently another example, he has transformed into a good AM tho, but thats a pity becoz we now have a surplus of talent at AM but no one emerging at CF

    in Fuellkrug's case, i see another talented striker with star potential being transformed into AM, its like convertign a futre star striker into one of the millions good AMs we produce

    Ducksch, Timo Werner n Dominik Martinovic will likely go through this process as well. Martinovic was occasionally used as an AM for the DFB U16 last year so dont see a problem there; but Ducksch n Timo Werner are two strikers with superstar potential but again are used as AMs.

    Every summer, CF is a position where teams are not hesitate to spend millions of dollars on it, since there is only one lone CF position on the pitch. If CFs arent good enough, its ok to leave them at the end of the bench; but if they have potential or has a well-rounded game, he will be used as AM instead. So when will our young CFs be used ahead of all these expereinced/proven Cfs from overseas or all these big money signings? If all our talented strikers are used as AM, when can we produce our own Lewandowski, Benzema, Suarez n Cavani?
     
  9. SlantNGo

    SlantNGo Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So would you rather Fuellkrug play at CF and have Petersen rotting on the bench?
     
  10. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Yes, Petersen is a one-dimensional CF, old fashioned

    Füllkrug is more like a modern striker, with allround game and a clinical finisher with good size

    NT will benefit from a striker like Füllkrug more than Petersen in long run
     
  11. SlantNGo

    SlantNGo Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    A year ago you were pushing for Petersen to join the NT. What has changed in the last year to alter your opinion so much?
     
  12. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
  13. Donauwelle

    Donauwelle Member

    Oct 10, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    You do not only need a young striker - you need to have one that shows on international floor and in difficult situations that he can be one. As long they only are good enough to play in 2nd league or at lower clubs - or do not really show their potential in international matches (look at the stats e.g. Kießling has in that category) they just are not a material for the national team.
     

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