bini's babes

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by guignol, Aug 29, 2012.

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  1. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I am sure he will be gone very soon. They assigned a target, he failed.

    On that game we missed Delie and Tonazzi who was her back up but sadly injured. Thiney and Le Sommer are lightweight as well as Bretigny. You need power up front in those kind of games.
     
  2. debzy

    debzy Member+

    May 26, 2009
    paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    First of all I would like to ask the moderators to change this thread name . Our team is not the private squad of this clown so please could you rename it ..... Equipe de France will be more than perfect .
    Second , well the FFF should have sacked him long time ago , in my opinion after Euro 2009 but certainly after O.G .
    This team problem is the incredible lack of characters , Bini banned all the strong personalities...Lattaf , Bompastor ...or keep them quiet by the menace or the humiliation of the bench...Bretigny , Henry , Tonazzi ....as Sonia said , one time again she was right form head to toe , many girls thought like her about this clown and his methods but they were too scared to talk because if they did he would have banned them from the NT without hesitation . That's why I said there is a positive side on this dramatic debacle , Bruno Bini will be fired and mocked for the rest of his career .:thumbsup:
     
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  3. debzy

    debzy Member+

    May 26, 2009
    paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    This was the last game of Sandrine Soubeyrand with the national team . She decided to stop at 39 years old with 197 caps and 17 goals scored ...Bye Bye Soub and thanks for everything.
    [​IMG]
     
  4. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    So ur not thinking Lair's Lovelies for the new thread name?
     
  5. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    The FFF won't hire Lair lol he shouts way too much for them.
     
  6. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    as i was the one who created (and named) the thread i feel obliged to point out the wordplay behind it. busby's babes were a famous Man U squad in the 50's. who, perhaps prophetically, were killed in an air disaster in munich.

    i don't have mod authorization in this forum but the moment bini steps down i will request a re-inauguration of this thread with all suitable, and even unsuitable, pomp and circumstance.
     
  7. Gromit06

    Gromit06 Member+

    Oct 22, 2012
    Nice
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    I don't think that Bini will stay. I hope he won't. The decision is not mine, and is not the other supporters' either. We just have to wait and see. If he leaves, good ! If he stays, he will stay, too bad. Personnaly, I'll deeply regret it but I keep my time to go down the streets and make revolution for more serious things in life ;)

    French players always fight with all theit heart. They do have character. But it's far from being enough. After all, when Sonia - the strongest fighter of all, no doubt - was there, France lost in the same way against Holland in 2009, Sweden in 2011, Japan and Canada in 2012, or Lyon against Wolfsburg this year in C1's Final. It's not enough....
    In order to win in difficult and exceptional circimstances (international tournament's knock-outs), you have to learn to lose in daily life. Something that none of Lyon's players (between 2/3 to 3/4 of the NT) has ever experimented for the last three years (not a single defeat until this year C1's Final). As soon as they are tied or even lead with only a short margin (1 goal), they are lost and panic. It's so unnatural for them ! But even Denmark is above Issy or even above PSG, Juvisy or Montpellier. Soubeyrand was absolutely right when she said that Lyon's over domination in D1 was not a good thing for French WF and particularly for the NT. Lyon's supporters enraged and understood the words as a pure insult to their club and players, instead of thinking about what it actually meant. There is nothing against Lyon, as a club, there is nothing against its wins and trophies (they must be congratulate for them) , it's just a fact that can be openly shown and seen today, as it was already last year at the Olympics. Yes, this over-domination is objectively a bad thing for the NT... Germany is a constant top nation with its NT through the years because its players fight hard in their various teams all year long in their league. They all know what it is to be tied or led with 20 minutes to go only. How many times we saw that with Potsdam or Wolfsburg this season, winning in the last minutes ? Lyon never did. To have (or to have not) this habit is as important as to practice shoots at the goal, FK, CK, etc. And, apparently, much more.

    Getting rid of Bini is a first step, yes. Essential, yes. But it won't be enough. Getting rid of an over-domination of a single team is absolutely essential, even if it's - maybe for foreign observers only - the unseen part of the iceberg the NT Titanic breaks against.
    Next season, things "should" improve, since PSG, Juvisy, MHSC, Guingamp, ASSE are all making efforts. We'll see if it will give fast results. I have some doubts.
     
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  8. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Id rep that if I could...silly software.
    I agree completely that Lyon which was a big part of the rise must also take credit for a reason the team has plateaued. U saw it in the Montpellier game, a team who unless Delie just goes crazy has no business forcing PKs with Lyon. U saw it in the CL final. The German and Swedish leagues r not balanced top to bottom either. Instead they offer three or four competitive teams each year and the winner changes from year to year. Lyon has no competition. The battle in D1 is for the second spot. Worse, even if u discount most of Lyon's games r too easy, they have too many good players to play them all. Look at Le Sommer. Other than the US (who has strikers out the petute), she starts for any other WNT in the world, yet at Lyon, she comes on as a sub in many games. How is that good for her development? Rapinoe plays part time and Ohno doesnt play at all so why r they even there? A lot of this goes beyond a new coach for the NT. The FFF has to seriously look at whether they want to win CL or want to win a WWC.
     
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  9. Gromit06

    Gromit06 Member+

    Oct 22, 2012
    Nice
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    My rep button has disappeared too (and that's really boring but Big Soccer doesn't seem to give a damn about it), so I can't give you one too ;)
    Mind you... By adhering to those kind of thoughts, you will be classified as furious and systematic Lyon-haters (I know what I'm talking about :rolleyes:) :p

    Your last sentence "The FFF has to seriously look at whether they want to win CL or want to win a WWC." is really interesting. Historically, the first man who changed WF in France, in the modern era, and opened the door to what it is today, was Louis Nicollin, Montpellier's President. He was the first to really believe in WF's future within a men's professional team. His aim was just to develop the discipline in the best way... Then, came Jean-Michel Aulas, Lyon's president. His ambition was not only to develop women's football, but also and above all to win the CL. It has always been a personal (and legitimate, of course) obsession for him. First of all, of course, with the men's team. He never could play even a Final, in spite of a 7 years reign over national French football (2002-2008). Then, he put all his hopes into the Women's team. For that, he merged his team with the FC Lyon in 2004, another local team who had been Women's Football Champion four times (91, 93, 95, 98). I'd rather say that more than a merge, OL "swallowed" FC Lyon. Then, Aulas's goal was simple : doing with the girls what he was doing with the boys : dominate the national league and conquer Europe. Aulas is a great President, no doubt,, even if his personality and behaviour can be - and are - highly contested. But he always put the priority to his teams more than to the NTs. And, because of the long reigns of his teams at the national level, he developped a very, very strong personal power in French but also European football world. He's extremely political and clever. So, the FFF never went against Aulas's will in anything, even if the relations were very difficult most of the time... Aulas always claimed that he was buying all the best French players (men or women - he litterally "killed" Montpellier by buying in two years Abily, Bompastor, Nécib, Thomis, Lattaf) in order to reinforce French football. But, actually, if he reinforced his team - no doubt with the results we know as far as the Women's team is concerned - he impoverished the level of the league. And FFF let it do as he wanted, because he was too powerful. So, you see the importance of your sentence. Yes, that's the question : what does the FFF really want to achieve in the close future ?
     
  10. DeigoRedD

    DeigoRedD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 28, 2004
    Fort Worth, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    It is for these reasons, that I won't rename the thread. I (hope) to see a new thread started when Bini is shown the door. I don't think he has the tools to get the team past their current plateau.
     
  11. Gromit06

    Gromit06 Member+

    Oct 22, 2012
    Nice
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    So, if Bini remains :rolleyes: , and seeing that Soubeyrand stops her international career, Boulleau will be ready to take her place amongst the most hated-players-because-being-Bini's-support. And since she is more and more mediatized (and with PSG's rising, it will be more and more important, no doubt) she even can take Thiney's role as the new Nasty-Miss-Media.... :eek:

    Oh, Laure, I'll never let you down ! :)

    Was it already written down in Roland Garros ? :p
    [​IMG]
     
  12. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Seriously, result dictates everything in football so Bruno should go and the FFF president will meet him soon to tell him goodbye.

    As I know him personally, I think the level of abuse and hatred I have seen in the last 24 hours in the social media and other forums have been way over the top.

    Special mentions to the comment " we have the best team in the world and we won nothing because of him". Totally agree with won nothing but the delusional assumption that France is the best team in the world and therefore must win everything is just...
     
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  13. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    The abuse is definitely unnecessary, whether it is Bruno or any other NT coach...:whistling:
    After all, football is just a game! ;)

    Edit: I'll also add that while the manager can share some of the blame for results, the players have to take some responsibility as well. Bruno didn't make them miss those 31 shots..
     
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  14. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    To be fair on that point one can suggest that shooting training sessions have not been good enough. I have seen a few as training is open to public most of the time, but I don't remember any specific finishing session really.

    It is really disappointing to loose so stupidly against Denmark and players should get some of the blame for not turning before half an hour gone.
     
  15. Gromit06

    Gromit06 Member+

    Oct 22, 2012
    Nice
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    I totally agree with you from A to Z. I actually only read (and wrote on a bit) "Marinette et ses copines" (relatively calm) and Footd'Elles where, once more, we find the proof that ridicule doesn't kill (well, I hope for the posters, at least :p). I didn't have a look on OL Web, but I can imagine what can be found there, seeing what was already posted months ago with very bad insults.
    On Footd'Elles, someone offered the idea (recurrent on OLWeb) that Patrice Lair could be at the same time coach of OL and of NT (with the consequences you can guess about the players). I suggested the idea that Les Bleues could play with OL's kit and Logo too :D

    The idea that - as you report - "we have the best team in the world" is not new and fills the forums since Lyon won the CL. And after that, some people still wonder why French aree seen as unbearable arrogant all over the world... France, fille aînée de l'Eglise, has of course a divine right.
    Oh, another classic in the forums, you certainly read it many times is : "This is the waste of a golden generation" (entirely due to Bini, of course).... First, almost all the players will be there for next WC, next OG and even for most of them next Euro, and second how many "lost generations" do we have in Football history ! Just think of Puskas, Zico, Platini, Bergkamp, Cantona, Papin, Raul, Beckham, etc...
     
  16. Gromit06

    Gromit06 Member+

    Oct 22, 2012
    Nice
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    At the three training sessions I could watch in Nice before the game against Canada last April, they actually had shooting sessions. But - I wrote it a little everywhere at the time - they were really, really bad. Even in 1v1 against Bouhaddi or Deville (and in conclusion of attacking at three without any opposition), they missed almost everything. Delie was the only one who was good at the exercice. So, I'm no longer surprised...

    About the practice of PK. Bini thinks - and many, many coaches have the same opinion - that training specifically for shooting-out is useless because the context at training or in match, after 120 minutes and with a qualification or elimination as a consequence, are not the same at all. And I'm not sure he's wrong. How many times we saw the best players missing their shooting-out ? Remember Platini ? How many times Delannoy missed a PK with PSG ? Does she need to practice them when she shoots them regularly with her team (and actually quite often) ? Of course not. But well, the pressure... That, you can't be trained. Only the real context can give you experience. Remember Bussaglia against Japan too. The first time in all her life that she missed a PK...

    By the way, I would say that for me Elise Bussaglia was the Best French Player of the tournament. She was just perfect in all her games.
     
  17. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    France is the best team in the world at making half chances. Where they need to improve is making more really good chances.
     
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  18. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Shoot outs r unpredictable at best. Im sure there statistics somewhere showing whether the team who ties up the game has an advantage over the team that is pegged back. I dont know. What I do know is that they r a crap shoot. Look at WWC 2011. US made all five against Brazil but in the finals only made one against Japan. Smart teams avoid them because they r the great equalizer. It may have seemed France lost in PKs but the truth is they lost because their offense couldnt score against a team that has inferior talent. The penalty was a let off and even a victory in PKs would have been a shallow one.
     
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  19. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Regarding PK, they are areas where the GK cannot physically save it and I am sure players could train a bit so that they are used to reach that area in training.

    I would be surprised if Lair was offered the French NT and he would certainly not select a few numbers who are there at the moment. Thiney comes to mind straightway.

    One of the funniest thing I have heard is at OL they win nearly everything which is great while they won nothing with France but some OL players apparently still prefer to play under Bini. I think they are happy to win stuff with a disciplinarian approach and then try to get a different feel from that daily approach with France.

    I also read that with Bompastor France would have won things. I was thinking she had so many painkilling injections (more than double figure) that her body is crippled and she had certainly lost a yard of pace this season I think. That pace is vital in that position and I think Boulleau did a good job in the tournament.
     
  20. debzy

    debzy Member+

    May 26, 2009
    paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Now we understand why France failed ....It's very sad to read about players who are unable to have a clear and complete understanding of the debacle , Thiney said the same thing too but Gaetane is a lost case . Anyway if Bini goes , at this point anything can happen as even the president of the federation said that he still believe in him , the next one should be Diacre as one of her ex player told me . Corinne ,who was Bini assistant by the way , is part of the system so nothing will really change , actually she could ask Bini to be her assistant....:inlove::speechless::cry:
    I think many people don't realize that this Euro should have indirectly launched the female league for good , a success was fundamental for that . Average football fans are interested only by winning team , without the success of Ackers , Hamm or Solo teams for USA , Jones , Prinz or Rottenberg teams for Germany , these two nations wouldn't have had a so huge numbers of women soccer followers , people like to identify themselves with winners not losers .
    Olympique Lyonnais european success , the average fans didn't cared about the french championships , put our football on the spot light , the real reason was that finally a french club was winning in Europe , but Lyon is just a club and his associated with the figure of Aulas which is not loved by all french even though is idea was fundamental in the professionalization of women football .
    However , a winning national team would have been even better because that means in the eye of the average fans that there is not only Lyon in France .
    That was Bruno Bini's mission , he had the players and the structure to be successful and he miserably failed , a failure which will not only hurt him but all the movement , some players were mocked on twitter too , the average fans thought "why I have to follow women football if they are bad as the boys...." remember people are interested in winners not losers .
     
  21. debzy

    debzy Member+

    May 26, 2009
    paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    -To not train for the penalty is just completely crazy . So even thought girls had a very poor shooting accuracy in training and he thought that this would have been beneficial ...I am speechless , what's wrong with this man ?

    -Lair in and Thiney out....what a wonderful idea:inlove:

    -Georges , Franco , Deville , Necib (?)....who else?

    Her personality was missing more than ever , this team desperately needed leadership . Soubeyrand is too quiet , Thiney captain is a joke and the rest are too scared to create problem in the group to talk . Apart Sonia there was also Lattaf but that's another story.....
     
  22. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Well if it is Corinne Diacre, she will come with her ideas and they are different from Bini's one. Every coach is different and has favorite players as well. Loisel had hers, Bini has his and Diacre will have hers. Same with Hidalgo, Michel, Platini, Houillier, Jacquet, Lemerre, Santini Domench, Blanc or Deschamps. That is the essence of coaching a NT team, you select a certain player profile per position for your system and you fit those in.

    I forgot to mention retirement, Soubeyrand already did but others might not carry on.
     
  23. Gromit06

    Gromit06 Member+

    Oct 22, 2012
    Nice
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Another pearl on Footd'Elles : "Et Sonia qu'est ce qu'elle manque, la France pert (sic) depuis qu'elle a êté virée." ("And we miss Sonia so much, France keeps losing since she has been fired".)
    Since she left the NT, France lost one game out of 14 (Australia in preparation match). And it's very well-known that France was always winning before. That's why Sonia was so happy, by the way. Why people don't think before talking ?
     
  24. Gromit06

    Gromit06 Member+

    Oct 22, 2012
    Nice
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    I was desperate that three matches are to go only at the "big" Euro, but the "young" one will come very quickly , the U19 Euro in Wales. It will start on August 19th and the complete schedule can be found HERE.

    I hope that our Bleuettes - amongst them many of the U17 2012 World Champions - will be luckier (and less clumsy) than their elders...

    Since there are 8 teams qualified only, France is already in QF ;) Well, not really. there will be two groups with 4 teams each and the best two will play the SF.

    France will play in Group A with Wales (host)... England (again) and... Denmark ! :eek: Time for a revenge !
    Group B : Germany, Sweden, Norway, Finland.... As usual...
     

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