AZpiration is everything --Jozy in Alkmaar

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  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    But if he was Tahitian?
     
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I actually think that Jozy is worth about 8 million euros. I think 8 is way too much for Szalai.

    I don't see why people just disregards 31 goals as meaningless since he doesn't play in one of the top three or four league's. He scored these goals for a well regarded team in a league that has produced many top strikers.
     
  3. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tell you what, I'd be fine paying 10 million euros if he came here as a squad player, made 10-20 starts, played 30-35 total matches, and scored 10+ goals in all competitions ;)

    History is littered with guys that excelled at one level, but looked like crap at the next level. I'm almost certain that a club like PSV would pay more for Altidore than a team in the Bundesliga for this reason. German and Dutch clubs value players about the same, but PSV has that extra bit of comforting knowledge that Jozy's already experienced success in Holland.
     
  4. jcsd

    jcsd Member+

    Jan 27, 2006
    Doost got 32 goals and De Jong got 25 goals last year in the Eredivise only managed 8 and 6 respectively in the Bundesliga this year. From this I project altidore to score 5 goals in the Bundesliga next season. Szalai scored 13 goals in the Bundesliga and was sold for 8 million euros therefore Altidore is worth 3 million euros.
     
  5. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Impressed you've reduced soccer scouting to a surefire mathematical formula. It is only a matter of time until you leverage millions from your secret.
     
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  6. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you took his post a little to seriously ;)
     
  7. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Same here. I wouldn't say Jozy is worth 8. I'd wager he's more at 6. But that was once the season was over. His recent goals might have added a million to his price. So you are probably right. He scored and had a good number of assists. And he's adjusted to several leagues style of play. He's a vet at just 23. Been around the block.
     
  8. Mario Balotelli

    Mario Balotelli Member+

    United States
    Feb 28, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ever heard of Bjorn Vleminckx or Dmitry Bulykin? They scored 20+ goals in the Eredivisie a few seasons ago. Now, I think Jozy is a much better player and has more potential than either of those guys, but it just shows that there's been some really mediocre guys near the top of the scoring tables which is why it's understandable that top leagues have reservations about shelling out a lot of money on Eredivisie strikers.
     
  9. DIMITAR BERBATOV!

    Aug 2, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just scouted him in Football Manager 2013 and they estimated his price at 15-17M Euros. Foolproof science.

    I think some of you guys are tripping with your 4-6M Euro estimates. That hardly buys a bag of peanuts these days. Strikers are expensive. Stephen Fletcher, Daniel Sturridge, Andy Carroll, Olivier Giroud, Papis Cisse, and Loic Remy were all 10+ M Euros. Benteke was a "steal" at 7M pounds, which is still a lot of money. If a Prem team gets involved he will cost at least 8-10M Euros IMO. If he goes somewhere like Russia, France, or Portugal, it will probably be to a team with money.

    We're talking about maybe the best player on USMNT. Maybe the most talented American field player when it's all said and done. He's not going for Brek Shea money (no offense).
     
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  10. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you're citing only Premiership teams...and inflated transfer fees.
     
  11. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax

    The lone time in his entire career that Bulykin scored so many came at the age of 30. Good grief, when does the cherry picking on past Eredivisie scorers end? No league below the top four in Europe, or the world for that matter, can even approach the level of success by Eredivisie products in those leagues.

    Not. Even. Close. We've been over this 412,368 times.
     
  12. aveslacker

    aveslacker Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Apr 2, 2006
    Old Madras
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was wondering when you'd come along to make this point. :p
     
  13. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    I didn't even have time to write "afgrijselijkheid in 3, 2, 1...."
     
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  14. usry723

    usry723 Member+

    Aug 14, 2008
    Georgia, USA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. McGarnagle

    McGarnagle Member+

    Apr 29, 2010
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the original source, it has more details.

    http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport...riker-altidore-1-5787326#.UcQLfb-ZATk.twitter

     
  16. usry723

    usry723 Member+

    Aug 14, 2008
    Georgia, USA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    6 epl teams huh? I don't buy it but ill speculate: Newcastle, Aston Villa, Everton, Fulham, Tottenham.
     
  17. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
    Club:
    Liverpool FC

    Not to knock on Jozy Altidore but can you name one FW who succeeded outside of Eredivisie that isn't from Fyenoord, Ajax, or PSV?? The great FWs from Eredivisie are basically from those 3 teams...
     
  19. adi21

    adi21 Member

    The ones that have Americans starting
    United States
    Mar 17, 2001
    Maryland
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe you are not familiar with jcsd track record re US players.
    .
     
  20. Hobo

    Hobo Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Roy Makaay
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Makaay
     
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  21. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is what we were talking about. In Germany, a solidly average to slightly above average starter is worth about 5 million euros. Maybe you tack on an extra million for an attacking player. Teams won't pay 8 figure transfer fees unless they're buying one of the top 20 attacking players in the league. Italy and Spain are very similar. These countries develop so much talent that the high supply drives prices down.

    Teams in these leagues won't pay 12 million for Jozy because they can buy a 20 year old from the second division who's 95% the player that Jozy is for 3-4 million.
     
  22. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
  23. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan

    well if Di Canio has his way that might change, he wants to sign at least 12 new players
     
  24. Hobo

    Hobo Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
     

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