Hi, nice compilation of freekicks data. Regarding the above piece on Zidane great job on finding quite a lot of new info. I would like to help as well and from the top of my head I can do so on two counts, 1) Confirmation on the 99/00 juventus lazio match, Zidane did score a FK. Here's the link - (at 0:21) 2) Zidane also scored a freekick in the CL for Juventus against Manchester United. I couldn't find a match highlights video but I found a compilation that has the freekick at 3:58 -
Seniority in the club (Del Piero/Figo/Carlos) Crowd favourite (Del Piero) Specialist freekick taker (Beckham/Carlos) Basically, his wasn't a case of CRonaldo and Real Madrid when it came to being in-line for taking free kicks, once he left Bordeaux i.e. He also never struck me as one who fought with a team member or pulled rank, to have a go at taking a freekick (I might be mistaken here though).
Estel, thanks for the new information! Where necessary, update. Even better if it's with videos like you did! On the goal against Manchester United (Juventus 2x3 Manchester United, CL 97/98), I had not put on the list because I had seen this description: '' Only in the 90th minute with Zidane marvelous kick made the score not so unpleasan'' I was in doubt whether it was a FK or not, you know? But the video you brought over with doubt.
No problem, I will see if I can find any more information on his free kick goals to make this a more complete list. The information that you have put up here is already quite comprehensive though, so I doubt I will be able to add a lot more.
Marcelinho Carioca - Flamengo, Corinthians, Santos, Vasco da Gama, Brasiliense, Santo André e Brasil NT 6 goals for Flamengo 58 goals for Corinthians 2 goals for Santos 7 goals for Vasco 2 goals for Brasiliense 2 goals for Santo André 1 Brazil NT ALL: 78 goals Sources: - http://people.ufpr.br/~mmsabino/sstatistics/marcelinho_carioca.html - http://colunistas.ig.com.br/futebolemnumeros/tag/marcelinho/ - Acervo Folha e Acervo Jornal do Brasil - YouTube videos - UOL and Terra (news) PS: I don't found information on more than 25 goals for Flamengo, 1 goal at Valencia, 7 goals for Gamba Osaka and 5 goals in Al-Nasr. It is likely that Marcelinho has more 10 FKs in career.
This ... I agree that Zidane did not have much chance ( should say SELDOM) to do FK at Real. From 02-04: he was #3 FK taker behind Figo, Carlos From 04-06: He was #3 behind Beckham and Carlos As PK, he was #4 behind Figo, Ronaldo, Hiero. ========================================= I think Zidane was kinda "under rated " in FK. He was NOT near TOP10 or 20 best FK but surely he was one of the great FK - surely better than Figo and R.Carlos At Real, Coach Del Bosque did not want to "stir" things up on top of the big scandal in "galacticos label" team from Media, so he kept Figo as #10 shirt, and 1st choice in FK, corner kick and pk even after Zidane and Ronaldo joining. - best scenarios at Real FK" short distance: Zidane/Figo and Long distance Carlos - PK: 1st choice should be R9 and then Zidane
Correct. Zidane is one of the greatest of all time, but it had potential. His kicks were incredible, he is extremely talented. I start from the principle that every player who has great skills in kicking can become an excellent FK. Zidane had these skills. Missed charge more for Juventus and Real Madrid... As I said, I understand which had others great FKs, but he could impose, require, ask to have more chances. Zico said he practiced every days in training with a young goalkeeper, as Marcelinho (watched Zico training FKs), Assunção and Juninho.
Well I would not include Zidane in any TOp list kicker of the ball ... (Zidane did practice hard in FK, but he was not a 'natural great kicker' as Didi, Zico, Pele, Platini ... There are different style of great kickers: 1- Dead ball specialists: (but not so good in live ball) Didi, Mihailovic, Beckham, Del Pierro, Marcelinho, Juninho , Roberto Carlos, Roger Ceni, Ronaldinho and arguably Zidane, 2- Live ball specialists: (but not so great in FK or dead ball) Puskas, Di stefano, Eusebio, Best, Cruijff, Muller, Basten, Romario, Ronaldo Batistuta ... 3- Great KICKER (both live and dead ball) Garrincha, Pele, Maradona, Zico, Platini, and arguably Rivelino, Rivaldo, plus lately CR7 and Messi (both need abit improvement in future)
Série A FREE KICK Topscorers (until October / 2012) Players on Active Duty 1) Andrea Pirlo - 19 goals (2 Brescia, 3 Reggina, 10 Milan, 4 Juventus) 2) Totti - 12 goals 3) Fabricio Miccoli - 8 goals 4) Antonio Di Natale - 7 goals 5) Gaetano D'Agostino - 7 goals 6) Sebastian Giovinco - 6 goals 7) Francesco Lodi - 6 goals ALL-TIME 1) Sinisa Mihaijlovic - 28 goals 2) Del Piero - 22 goals 3) Roberto Baggio - 20 goals 4) Gianfranco Zola - 20 goals 5) Andrea Pirlo - 19 goals 6) Maradona - 14 goals 7) Enrico Chiesa - 13 goals 8) Michel Platini - 13 goals 9) Álvaro Recoba - 13 goals 10) Giuseppe Signori - 12 goals 11) Francesco Totti - 12 goals http://juventiknows.com/andrea-pirlo-the-art-of-free-kick-preparation/
Andrea Pirlo - Brescia, Reggina, Milan, Juventus, Italy NT 2 goals for Brescia 3 goals for Reggina 14 goals for Milan (10 goals in Serie A and 4 goals in Champions League) 5 goals in Juventus 6 goals in Italy NT ALL: 30 goals Sources: - http://juventiknows.com/andrea-pirlo-the-art-of-free-kick-preparation/ - Wikipedia (list of all goals in career) - YouTube
a very good link... however they should have put up number of games next to the goals. It's UNFAIR that Maradona as he played the least number (<200games) while all others played at least 350-700games So in overall, Maradona 14/180+ is the best of SerieA with 7.5% successful rate
Did you even bother to do the maths for any other player? Mihajlovic: 28/315= 8.88 And Platini has one goal and 41 games less.
I am baseless of you are ? Do you really know what my base is? I was talking about Maradona scoring FK from corner kick (as I was not sure earlier that it was with Napoli or Argentina) OK? Indeed he scored 2 FK inside the box, 2FK right outside the box nearly 75degree from penatly box and lastly 1 FK from corner kick spot Now it's time for you to go and check again ! Mihaijlovic only scored 1FK on the side box from about 75-80degree! Those were much more difficult position than Mihaijlovic ever did! I AM STANDING STILL ON MY BASE
Maradona FKs in Argentina League for Boca Juniors: 21/06/1981 Boca Juniors 4x0 San Lorenzo METROPOLITANO 11/10/1981 Boca Juniors 7x1 San Lorenzo LP NACIONAL 14/10/1981 Boca Juniors 3x1 Estudiantes LP NACIONAL 01/11/1981 Boca Juniors 2x2 River Plate NACIONAL Metropolitano 81 - 28 games Nacional 81 - 12 games I remember that he has another 24 goals in friendlies/unofficial tournaments between 1981 and 1982. I could not find any information about this game: 26/04/1981 Boca Juniors 2 x 1 Estudiantes LP - In 95-97, he scored only one FK: 15/10/1995 Boca Juniors 1x0 Argentino Jrs. APERTURA - These numbers are staggering to me and I do not revised, despite being convinced that everything is correct. For those who want... http://www.historiadeboca.com.ar/jugadores/diego-armando-maradona/515/1905/2013/1.html
Hi, here is the info I have found on 3 more out of the 5 goals that you have mentioned above, 01/02 Real Madrid 4x0 Rayo Vallecano in QF Copa del Rey was probably not a fk goal, forum discussion in link suggests that Zidane scored from open play on a rebound - http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=58270 01/02 Real Madrid 1x2 Athletic Bilbao in SF Copa del Rey was not a fk goal, news archive link with details - http://www.soccer-spain.com/ssdocs/archive2001/news/n110.html 03/04 Real Madrid 2x1 Valência in QF Copa del Rey was a fk goal, news archive link with details - http://www.soccer-spain.com/ssdocs/archive2003/news/n127.html Also, Juventus' first goal against Brescia in the match held on 21 sept 1997 was a deflected freekick from Zidane which was credited as an own goal to the defender Filippini. Could not find a video of it online for you though. I know of it now since I found it in my personal collection. Lastly, I could not find any information on how Zidane scored in the match against Fiorentina in 1998 in the Coppa Italia. So in summary, 97/98 Juventus 2x2 Fiorentina - Copa da Italia - No information 99/00 Juventus 3x2 Lázio - Copa da Italia - FK Goal 01/02 Real Madrid 4x0 Rayo Vallecano - Copa do Rei - Not a FK Goal 01/02 Real Madrid 1x2 Athletic Bilbao - Copa do Rei - Not a FK Goal 03/04 Real Madrid 2x1 Valência - Copa do Rei - FK Goal
Great information! Thanks for your great work, Estel! Yeah, Zidane has more goals than I thought... now are 24 FKs.
Yes 21/06/1981 Boca Juniors 4x0 San Lorenzo METROPOLITANO 11/10/1981 Boca Juniors 7x1 San Lorenzo LP NACIONAL 14/10/1981 Boca Juniors 3x1 Estudiantes LP NACIONAL 01/11/1981 Boca Juniors 2x2 River Plate NACIONAL Friendlies: 24/02/1981 Boca Juniors 2 x 1 Independiente Riv. - No Information/Video 06/03/181 Boca Juniors 4 x 2 San Lorenzo LP - No Information/Video 12/04/1981 Boca Juniors 1 x 1 Gimnasia J - No Information/Video 17/04/1981 Boca Juniors 3 x 1 Alianza Paranaense - No Information/Video 08/09/1981 Boca Juniors 2 x 1 Milan - FK Goal 06/10/1981 Boca Juniors 5 x 2 Stade Abidjan - NO FK 06/01/1982 Boca Juniors 2 x 0 El Salvador - NO FK 13/01/1982 Boca Juniors 2 x 1 Selangor - NO FK 20/01/1982 Boca Juniors 3 x 2 Japão B - No Information/Video 24/01/1982 Boca Juniors 1 x 0 Japão - NO FK 26/01/1982 Boca Juniors 2 x 1 América-MEX - NO FK 27/01/1982 Boca Juniors 1 x 0 Comunicaciones - NO FK 30/01/1982 Boca Juniors 4 x 1 Racing Club - NO FK
Maradona FK Goals in Coppa Italia: 22/08/1984 Napoli 4 x 1 Arezzo - FK GOAL 26/08/1984 Napoli 3 x 0 Casertana - NO FK 02/09/1984 Napoli 3 x 0 Pescara - NO FK 01/09/1985 Napoli 3 x 1 Salernitana - FK GOAL 24/08/1986 Napoli 2 x 0 Spal - FK GOAL 27/08/1986 Napoli 2 x 0 Lázio - NO FK 07/09/1986 Napoli 3 x 1 Cesena - NO FK 14/09/1986 Napoli 1 x 0 Brescia- No Information/Video 25/02/1987 Napoli 3x0 Brescia - NO FK 29/04/1987 Napoli 3 x 0 Bologna - FK GOAL 06/05/1987 Napoli 4 x 2 Bologna - NO FK 27/05/1987 Napoli 1 x 0 Cagliari - NO FK 23/08/1987 Napoli 4 x 0 Modena - NO FK 30/08/1987 Napoli 2 x 0 Udinese - FK GOAL 06/09/1987 Napoli 2 x 1 Fiorentina - NO FK 06/01/1988 Napoli 2 x 3 Fiorentina - NO FK 02/03/1988 Napoli 2 x 3 Torino - 2 FKs GOAL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV-W2givuxc 31/08/1988 Napoli 3 x 0 Barletta - FK GOAL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHpzV9gL2EY 03/09/1988 Napoli 1 x 0 Bologna - NO FK 14/09/1988 Napoli 1 x 1 Lecce - FK GOAL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI1lJ6qCkY0 21/09/1988 Napoli 2 x 0 Cesena - NO FK 28/09/1988 Napoli 4 x 0 Modena - FK GOAL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPjH-j_zmSQ 01/02/1989 Napoli 2 x 0 Pisa - NO FK 24/01/1990 Napoli 1 x 1 Fiorentina - FK GOAL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZMvE-sQsS4 14/02/1990 Napoli 1 x 3 Milan - NO FK 05/09/1990 Napoli 3 x 0 Cosenza - NO FK 12/03/1991 Napoli 1 x 0 Sampdória - NO FK ALL: 11 FKs
Maradona so far: Argentina NT - 5 FK Napoli - 25 FK (14 in Série A and 11 in Coppa Italia) Boca - 5 FK (official goals) ALL: 35 goals There are still check goals for Argentinos Jrs, Barcelona and Sevilla (official should be together more than 160 goals) and goals in youth categories/friendlies.