Alert: NEW COACH - Jürgen Klinsmann

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by StevenTacle, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My gut feeling, equally completely speculative, is that the job openings at the youth levels had a much more important role than the Gold Cup (although I can't get the vision of Gulati barking, "Get the damn Kraut on the phone!" as Mexico celebrated the third goal in the GC Final out of my head). It's a lot easier to bring in a guy who wants to re-make the youth system when you don't really have to clean house in order to do it.

    To me, it was the perfect storm of poor results and a new broom waiting to sweep clean.
     
  2. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Oh, I'll bet the U-XX vacancies played a role. They'd kind of have to, considering. My honest guess is that one of Sunil/Flynn's concessions had to do with Jürgen either naming or having a hand in those hirings.

    Being that Klinsi's been hovering, and Sunil's wanted him for ages, I just strongly suspect that a disappointing GC is really the prime reason that we fired Bob. If Sunil hadn't landed Klinsi, I doubt that Bob would be out of a job right now in favor of some Sigi Schmid or Jason Kreis or Bruce Arena Term #3.
     
  3. MesaATLien

    MesaATLien Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with this, and would like to point out the fact that most don't like to look at this from Bradley's point of view. I think we never even considered that fact that maybe he was the one who didn't want to stay on as coach for another cycle, that maybe HE was the one who lost motivation for the job. I personally think Bradley and Sunil had an agreement for him to stay on until all negotiations with Klinsmann were worked out. You gotta think Bradley put it in his new (although short) contract some sort of clause, especially with the way he was rehired by Sunil, clearly portrayed as the not the first choice.

    With all the BS he put up with these past four years, I can't blame him if that's how it all worked out. Wouldn't you be PO'd if you were working as the used goods while your boss is too busy trying to impress your replacement?
     
  4. irish56

    irish56 Member+

    Oct 30, 2006
    indy
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Klinsmann is the right fit and has the desire to do so, I would like to see him get three cycles in. Give him an opportunity to change the system from the ground up.
     
  5. LiverAndPineapple

    May 7, 2008
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0xOwUwKfxU"]‪GERMANY VS. ARGENTINIA Kabine‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
     
  6. Mutiny RIP

    Mutiny RIP Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Bradenton, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't want anyone to have more than one cycle as head coach. If he is successful in this cycle, then I would like to see him move to a position where he selects future coaches for the national teams, oversees player development, etc. Frankly, Klinsi will be better able to change the system from the groud up if he is not also trying to fulfill the responsibilities of a USMNT head coach. Ever since Arena's tenure, I have been adamant that no one should be head coach of the USMNT beyond one cycle.
     
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  7. irish56

    irish56 Member+

    Oct 30, 2006
    indy
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have never bought into the one cycle only thing for a coach of national team. Just look at Germany, all three of their World Cup Championship came with coaches who were not in their first cycles. Italy 3 out of 4 Championships came from coaches with more than one cycle. I think to do the job of overhauling USSF set it will take multiple years and cycles.

    *Brazil hasn't had a manager fail in their second cycle either, of course they haven't had a manager for two consecutive since the 50's.
     
  8. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
  9. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Not having yet gone through a cycle with him, I lean toward this as well. And doubly so as he hasn't had a tenure that's ever lasted longer than 2 1/2 years, and some have cited burn-out at the end of his Germany tenure. Doesn't sound like he'd have the stamina to run our program day-to-day for 7 years, even if the first three were successful. If he gets us to Brazil, gets us to do well there, and then retires to respected advisors' position where people in USSF look to him for opinions, advice, oversight, etc, then that sounds like a success. I could totally see him in the future as a sort of part-time Technical Director, or Technical Advisor, or whatever you want to call it...
     
  10. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
  11. LiverAndPineapple

    May 7, 2008
    It's great stuff, I only made it through part 6 last night. Going to finish them tonight.
     
  12. Bite o' the Cherry

    Charlotte FC
    United States
    May 3, 2006
    Charlotte, NC, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am a high school German teacher and typically show it to my AP level kids. In a couple weeks they will get a couple articles to read from the German press about Klinsi! It's cool, too, that a few of those guys from 06 are still around (Lahm, Schweini, etc), and the kids enjoy running into them when we do our weekly study of Bundesliga results.

    For those of you incorrigible Manicheists who insist Jürgen has no interest in X's and O's, there's a good section in that film where he goes at it with Jogi Löw and Andreas Köpke. He's NOT tactically naive!
     
  13. RiceBubble

    RiceBubble Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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    Ahh.. how refreshing! A teacher who advocates The Beautiful Game. I hate it when my teachers have long in-depth discussions about American football with my classmates and I have no idea what they're talking about. You should give bonus points to the students that know their fußball ;).
     
  14. RiceBubble

    RiceBubble Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, I was wondering: Is there a video available with English subtitles? Please and thank you in advance.
     
  15. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Agree almost exactly. The one caveat is that someone could be considered again a few cycles down the road [although I suspect this would be very rare]. The track record of consecutive cycles, even for highly successful managers, is just too depressing.
    Klinsmann could play a strong role in the development of the game in this country without having to be also USMNT manager at the same time.
     
  16. RiceBubble

    RiceBubble Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Happy Belated Birthday, Jürgen!

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  17. SgtSchultz

    SgtSchultz Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Parts Unknown
    Where are all the supporters of Klinnsmann now?
     
  18. SgtSchultz

    SgtSchultz Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Parts Unknown
    He is tactically naive. I am glad you are not my German teacher.
     
  19. braun

    braun Red Card

    Feb 22, 2001
    metro Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is he more naive than others?
    Russia has risen under the coaching of a Dutch-man, not a Deutsch-man.
     
  20. SPA2TACU5

    SPA2TACU5 Member+

    Jul 27, 2001
    ATX
  21. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The News and Analysis forum does not exist for you to bump year-old threads just to call people out. Thanks.
     
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  22. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yet another reminder of how the administrators erred in removing negrep.
     
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  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We could negrep Klinsmann before??
     
  24. Bite o' the Cherry

    Charlotte FC
    United States
    May 3, 2006
    Charlotte, NC, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And I am quite sure that I would not want you in my class.

    "I hear nothing, I see nothing, I know nothing!" Indeed.
     
  25. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Not sure if its been asked but anyone know why Thomas Dooley was initially part of Jürgen Klinsmann's staff and he no longer is? Just curious...
     

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