Julian Green (Bayern Munich): In-N-Out: Julian Green on loan at Hamburger SV

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  1. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not to draw this out, but integration is famously not one of Germany's strong points. The op asked about the none soccer kids, I said they most likely live in the platte and gave an example from my time in jena.
     
  2. Emperor_Norton

    Jun 14, 2007
    Jena is in East Germany and Plattenbau is very popular there. But most German-Americans grow up in the more multi-cultural West Germany - where Plattenbau is rather uncommon.
     
  3. GRUNT

    GRUNT Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is incorrect. Plattenbauten are quite common in the former West Germany. Further, whether they meet the technical definition or not, there are plenty of cheap tenements housing the lower classes of your so-called "multi-cultural" West Germany.
     
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  4. GRUNT

    GRUNT Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In any case, I am not sure how accurate it is to suggest that, unless their soccer skills are exceptional, the children of black American servicemen are living in Plattenbauten or any other form of low-income housing. Seems a pretty broad brush, no?
     
  5. Emperor_Norton

    Jun 14, 2007
    Yes, that was a mistake. Pardon me. It is just not very common in the part of Germany where I live (Bavaria) - hence we do associate it more with Eastern Germany. But I don`t see what`s wrong with my claim that West Germany is more multi-cultural than East Germany.
     
  6. NOLA

    NOLA Member

    Jan 10, 2009
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So that Julian Green kid huh?
     
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  7. GRUNT

    GRUNT Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I lived in Bavaria from '86 to '89, and Hamburg in '94; they were common enough then.

    Regarding German "multi-culturalism", perhaps it is relatively "more" in the West, but "relative" is the operative word. There are always exceptions, but I find Germans generally very annoyed by the presence and influence of Ausländer. I think it is quite likely kids like Green never truly feel accepted there.

    Although I generally oppose players that exploit the US program for personal gain -- players that feel no US-affinity in their hearts -- I am always open to the possibility that they are still looking for a country to call home. In those cases, if the US can give them that, more power to them.
     
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  8. Emperor_Norton

    Jun 14, 2007
    50% of my former Bavarian schoolmates are married to foreigners - and I have a foreign girlfriend. I would be suprised if a privileged kid like Julian Green did not feel at home in Bavaria. I had a similar discussion with a guy regarding Timothy Chandler on here, after Chandler played his first match for the United States. He was also convinced or wanted to believe that Timothy was a refugee from German racism who wanted to seek asylum in the USMNT. 12 months later he called Chandler a traitor.

    There is nothing wrong with scouting dual nationals for your national team, but most of them have two homes.
     
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  9. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    It is arguable that it is the tenements in New York where the melting pot really first existed. Poor and working class people of diverse backgrounds were brought together by the need for cheap housing. Choosing a neighborhood on the basis of racial segregation is a luxury that many people can't afford.
     
  10. GRUNT

    GRUNT Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True. For that matter, choosing a neighborhood on the basis of anything other than necessity is a luxury many can't afford.
     
  11. GRUNT

    GRUNT Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If half your schoolmates married foreigners, that speaks more to the school you attended and/or who you chose as friends than to the overall view of Germans towards foreigners.

    In any case, your experiences and mine are just two sets of anecdotes. Although I still read a lot, I haven't been to Germany in over 10 years, so maybe yours are more exemplary, and it's one big happy rainbow now.

    You say Green is privileged; was that before or after he signed a contract? Serious question, because I don't know.

    Regardless, I am not comparing Green to Chandler, I am not calling Chandler a traitor, and you and I have never conversed on the subject, so that is ALL you. I am not asserting either of them are fleeing "racism". I am suggesting that not fitting in is a motivation I could imagine for wanting to play for the country of one's father.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with scouting dual-nationals. Even better if they make their interest known to us. But I think there is a lot wrong with letting the US program become a dual-national's back-up plan. I'd rather support a team of heart-felt American Sunday-leaguers (regardless of where they were born), then a team of Subotic-like users.
     
  12. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Firstly, the use of the word "foreigner" here is a bit of a misnomer simply because Green is a citizen of Germany, along with all of those individuals you were referencing. Further, Green's socioeconomic background, doesn't play much of a factor here simply because this is regarding how he identifies himself. What the person you were arguing with was likely trying to say is that Chandler may, or may not, feel that Germany is his home due to the often times denigrating approach ethnic Germans take toward "Auslaender". Identity toward Germany, therefore, is often wavering from these "Auslaender" and people become splintered. It's one of the most interesting phenomenons I've ever seen.

    Additionally, I took umbrage with taylor's comment because most children of mixed-heritage in Germany are not raised in the "ghetto". It's as if he's saying that being of mixed black German-American heritage, without playing sports, means you're from the ghetto. I'm glad he did mention that a German "ghetto" juxtaposed to an American "ghetto" is not synonymous with one another. It's a very short-sighted comment to make, and I believe thinking like this plagues all attempts at integrating cultures there, while damaging how others look at Germans of mixed heritage abroad.
     
  13. mogollon

    mogollon Member

    Aug 18, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Yank-eligible, Bayern product...pretty cool.
     
  14. prowazekii

    prowazekii Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be cool enough to keep this thread on topic
     
  15. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not just Yank-eligible, American-born
     
  16. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're talking about Green and individuals of similar background. It's a relevant topic, in regards to many German-Americans, to boot. Of all the places for you to come whine about threads going off topic, you settle here? Sorry.
     
  17. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone know how highly Bayern rates him?
     
  18. HopperKowalski

    Aug 16, 2012
    He was the top scorer last year (was it last year?), so I'm sure they like him...

    And it's nice that (according to his father) he is excited about choosing the USA over Germany. So that's good.
     
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  19. smithfan

    smithfan Member+

    Aug 14, 2005
    Waimoana
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not much of a choice at the moment. He hasn't been invited to a camp since 2011 despite his good statistics. Probably because he plays on the same position as Arsenal's Serge Gnabry.
     
  20. jakepc42

    jakepc42 Member+

    Mar 26, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blah blah blah... Heard this before see John A. Brooks.
     
  21. GRUNT

    GRUNT Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and not just American-born, but with actual ties that go beyond his birth certificate.
     
  22. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Can you refresh my memory on what those are.

    I get all these guys back-stories mixed up and it doesn't help that I smoked too much weed in college.
     
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  23. Werdman89

    Werdman89 Member+

    May 27, 2008
    Boston, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unlike a lot of these German players, Julian is close with his father who lives in Florida. He travels to Florida once or twice a year and his brother went to high school there. This is a nice quick read that touches on it. His Dad often gives updates on his twitter about Julian...I mean, just look at his background.
     
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  24. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Thanks, man.

    As I was reading the dad's quotes in the Times story, I was like "man, the dad is a quote machine."

    Then I look at his twitter description and see he works in P.R. Duh!

    Julian's dad needs to give Timmy Chandler some P.R. tips!
     
  25. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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