Yank Women On Foreign Wnt & Wynt

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by BostonRed, May 4, 2012.

  1. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In honor of women dual US citizen greats Monica Gonzalez (Mexico) and Steffi Jones (Germany), it makes sense to create a thread similar to what we have for the men, especially because the US has become a massive exporter of women's talent to other countries.

    I'll provide what I can find. I am limiting the players to US citizens (I'm not assuming a HS or college player in the US is a citizen). Much like what we see with the men, it's really difficult to confirm citizenship. If you see anything that is incorrect, please add some information.

    For starters, I will build the list with 1 to 5 countries per post and include whatever competitive information I could find. I'll use the following notation:

    WNT (friendly or competitive cap or camp) (competitions)
    YNT (friendly or competitive cap or camp) (competitions)
    US (involvement with US teams at any level)
     
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  2. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    HAITI:

    Ednie Limage - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying
    Samantha Brand - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying
    Kim Boulos - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying
    Tatian Mathelier - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying

    NEW ZEALAND:

    Ali Riley - YNT: 2006 U-20 World Cup; WNT: 2011 World Cup
    Rebecca Smith - WNT: 2007 World Cup; 2008 Olympics
    Jenny (Bourn) Bindon - WNT: 2007 World Cup

    BRAZIL:

    Leah Fortune - YNT: 2010 U-20 World Cup

    ITALY:

    Anna Maria Picarelli - WNT: 2008 Algarve Cup, 2009 European Championships; 2011 UEFA World Cup Qualifying; US: U-23 camp
     
  3. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MEXICO:

    Teresa Noyola - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying; US: U-17, U-18, U-20.
    Natalie Vinti - WNT: 2011 World Cup
    Rubi Sandoval - WNT: 2011 World Cup
    Alina Garciamendez - WNT: 2011 World Cup
    Natalie Garcia Mendez - WNT: 2011 World Cup
    Veronica Perez - WNT: 2011 World Cup
    Monica Alvarado - YNT: 2010 U-20 World Cup
    Amanda Perez - YNT: U-17 World Cup
    Renae Cuellar - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying
    Cynthia Pineda - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-17 World Cup Qualifying
    Halie Hernandez - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-17 World Cup Qualifying
    Jenny Chiu - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-17 World Cup Qualifying; US: U-17 camp
    Bianca Sierra - YNT: YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying
    Ashley Kotero - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying
    Olivia Jimenez - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying
    Mar Rodriguez - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying
    Natalie Lagunas - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying
    Janelly Farris - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying
    Janet Mendez - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying
    Wendy Espejel - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying

    I'm watching the CONCACAF U-17 World Cup Qualifying and there are 11 women on the roster who are based in the US. Doesn't mean they are US citizens, but it would be interesting to find out.
     
  5. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CANADA:

    Lauren Sesselman - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying; 2011 Pan American Games
    Karina LeBlanc - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying; 2008 Olympics; 2011 Pan American Games; 2011 World Cup; 2002 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying; 2003 World Cup
    Chelsie Stewart - YNT: 2008 U-20 World Cup; WNT: 2011 World Cup; 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying
    Ally Courtnall - YNT: 2010 U-17 World Cup; US: U-17 camp
    Nicole Hill - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-20 World Cup Qualifying
    Taylor Bucklin - YNT: 2012 CONCACAF U-17 World Cup Qualifying
     
  6. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PORTUGAL:

    Kimberly Brandao - WNT: 2009 Algarve Cup; 2010 Algarve Cup; 2011 EUFA World Cup Qualifying; US: ODP 9 years
    Emilie Rebelo - YNT: U-19 camp

    IRELAND:

    Mary Therese McDonnell - WNT: 2009 European Championships; 2011 World Cup Qualifying
    Shannon McDonnell - WNT: 2009 European Championships; 2011 World Cup Qualifying

    PHILIPPINES:

    Heather Cooke - WNT: 2011 ASEAN World Cup Qualifying
     
  7. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CHILE:

    Rebecca Silva - YNT: 2008 CONMEBOL U-20 World Cup Qualifying

    GUATEMALA:

    Shannon Brooks - WNT: 2012 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying

    PANAMA:

    Dayton Wetherby - YNT: U-20 CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying
     
  8. 8MaCookies

    8MaCookies Member

    Jan 3, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC

    hey are the games streaming online?
     
  9. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, CONCACAF.com.
     
  10. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    What about those with dual citizenship that opted for the US, like Sydney Leroux? Are there any others?
     
  11. PacmanJr_00

    PacmanJr_00 Member

    Aug 29, 2010
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't realize Jenny Chui had made the switch to Mexico. Thank you for the thread.
     
  12. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like one player with multiple options:

    Adriana Rodrigues
    Now at Jacksonville University
    U17 Brazil for the World Cup CONMEBOL qualifiers in 2008
    U19 Portuguese National team in 2012 Euro Championships -- may be on the squad for the finals, but the database says she has turned 20.
     
  13. Minnesota FC 518

    May 22, 2008
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lol that's the girl from one of the seasons of real world
     
  14. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the girl. A quick check shows that one of her teammates is also a Yank, Patrice Impelido from Western Michigan (grad in 2010), though I can't confirm her citizenship. WMU says she was born in Australia and went to high school in Illinois, but we all know that doesn't necessarily mean citizenship.
     
  15. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sofia Huerta
    University of Santa Clara
    US: ODP, U-20 Camp
    Mexico: U-20 Camp 2012
     
  16. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Canada:

    Martina Franko née Martina Holan
    Born in Los Altos CA to Czech parents. Came up though US development system, went to Colorado Col.in the 90's
    Married a Canadian in 2003 and got her first CNT cap in 2005 at age 29.

    Her sister Regina Holan played for Greece in the Athens Olympics pre-Olympic run up ( Greece was an automatic qualifier) then Greece decided to use only Native born players.
     
  17. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't even try to add any former players, but, according to this USSF pre-match report, the Greek team was made up of 8 (out of 18) Greek-Americans: http://www.ussoccer.com/news/womens...r-team-kicks-off-against-greece-tomorrow.aspx
     
  18. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Sorry, I didn't see you had restricted the list to only currently rostered players.
    I did see you restricted the list to Americans, with no evidence some of those listed are U S citizens. "dual citizenship" is not something that FIFA nor the USA recognize, so I suggest a tighter criteria (I hold two passports and neither country recognizes the other citizenship, and if you naturalize here, you must renounce your other). The USA system will allow foreign players to play on the USA youth programs, just as the Germans allow USA players in their system.

    That will keep the list pretty fluid, as I see some of the players listed are questionable for either citizenship or currency. I'm pretty sure Franko played for Canada within the last but maybe not. Time runs together when you get older. The roster area of the CNT site is down right now.
    At any rate, she is listed by the Canadian association as one of their all time best 11, so I thought her relevant.
    http://www.canadasoccer.com/associa...omen-s-team-p150747&t=article_canadasoccer100

    I just added Regina because she was Martina's sister, and she got on the Greek squad by virtue of a Greek husband.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/05/30/SPGR36U6U91.DTL

    I also have a link for an article on the aftermath which explains the exact reason she didn't play, but she was on the Greek national squad until just before the games and for some reason the Greeks pooched her Olympic certification. Maybe there was a quota. At any rate, the articles are pretty solid evidence she is both American and played for Greece for about two years.

    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-6990870.html

    I guess you can sign up for the free 7 day trial for the whole article.
     
  19. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not trying to limit the list, but I didn't try to do any research on players no longer in active player pools. If someone else wants to do it, great. If that gets too big, then maybe we will have to split the thread.

    I'm not sure where you are going with the "dual citizenship" concept. Both the US government and FIFA recognize that individuals may hold more than one citizenship at a time. While the US does require you to renounce other citizenships as part of the oath when you naturalize, as a practical matter that oath doesn't have any practical impact on the other citizenship unless you actively renounce it (and some countries don't allow that). My guess is that most of these players are born with two citizenship options, rather than naturalizing.

    As I mentioned in the original post, I have tried to limit the pool to US citizens and most people don't list citizenship on their bios. I have used birthplace when available and/or participation in ODP and U-xx teams as evidence of citizenship. Most of them have been mentioned by another source as being a US citizen (though that can be wrong). As we know with men's players like Faguendez and Potts that isn't 100% accurate, but it's close enough -- especially on the women's side where the US has an oversupply of talent. As I said, if something is wrong --- mention it in the thread. If nothing else, I always find it interesting to know about players who grew up in the US soccer environment, even if they aren't eligible for USWNT play.
     
  20. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    FIFA only requires that you hold a valid passport from the country you play for, or in the case of some countries, the passport valid for the association you are certified in ( Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland, , but NOT Catalonia, for examples). They in no way accept, however, any dual status for adults. They only state that youths don't have to make a final decision until adulthood.

    You can, with only rare special exceptions, play for one country in your lifetime after you reach the age of consent (21) in an official FIFA match, unless the political status of your association changes (as with the Soviet Union)

    And there are circumstances where the USA will consider your conduct and acceptance of a foreign passport as evidence that you have renounced your American citizenship, terrorism prosecutions being the most in the news lately, but criminal cases as well. You are right that in most cases, they don't deal with the issue, but that's not what the law is. Though normally, you must renounce your us citizenship to lose it, that is not always the case.

    The department of state has this on their site.


    I agree that the number of USA players on other teams is interesting, as is the status of players who might have gone the other way, but to only deal with current players might skew perception. Such exchanges have always occurred as far back as I have followed women's soccer, which includes the first Women's World Cup.

    On the Men's side, the USA has by far more players who came the other way. It's not even clear some USA players were citizens in the first World Cup in 1930, nor did FIFA require such proof back then.
     
  21. Dundalk24

    Dundalk24 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    PA/OH
    Michelle Kowalski, Angelica Pawlowski, and Evelyn Nicinski are US citizens that play for Poland's U19 team.
     
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  22. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
  23. Dundalk24

    Dundalk24 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    PA/OH
    Yes, I am sure. The 2nd website you posted is incorrect. She was born in the US. I don't need to check any of them. I keep tabs on Poland because I was born there and speak the language.
     
  24. gricio61

    gricio61 Member

    Aug 30, 2011
    bologna
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You could add Arianna Criscione, born in California, double citizenship, currently GK for Torres Sassari (winner of the Serie A italian championship); she has some caps in the Italian WNT camps since last year and played at least one match during the friendly San Paolo Tournament last December in Brasil (Italy, Brasil, Chile, Denmark) :thumbsup:
     
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  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I certainly understand the history of this as I've been following it for a long time as well. The focus on current players is more a function of time available to input and maintain (as well as wondering if anyone else on BS has any interest in the subject) than of a lack of appreciation for the past. I think I first noticed the phenomenon of "cross nationality athletes" in the 1976 Winter Olympics with Dianne de Leeuw, the Dutch-American figure skater (which is another sport where we export athletes).
     

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