22:20 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/podcasts/2011/mls-talk-podcast-kartik-krishnaiyer-of-nasl-interview-14639 Phoenix, San Diego. Cleveland, Detriot.
*sigh* If you were actually listening, he was just mentioning major markets that don't have MLS or NASL teams. There was no talk about ownership groups in these markets interested in any NASL teams. He was just throwing out names which anyone can do. Markets are meaningless unless you have ownership group in those markets willing to put up cash. It seems Kartik and the NASL are convinced that soccer has just exploded in this country because folks are walking around in EPL jerseys and going to games in the PNW. And somehow that means tons of American markets are just dying for minor league soccer teams all of a sudden. Well good luck if they believe that. Far more telling was that Karit never talked about ownership groups for the Silverbacks, RailHawks, or Stars. I mean, if soccer is exploding here, it should be easy to find owners for these teams, right? Or how committed Traffic is to the league. Because without them, the league dies. The NASL should stop dreaming about markets and start worrying about ownership and attendance. Money is their problem. Without more of it, there will not be a league.
Unfortunately, the NASL and USL pro are just more-money-to-the-sinkhole-leagues We need big changes and we need them fast
Davidson said 4 teams by 2013: San Antonio, Ottawa....now after Ottawa we need US based teams: So the ownership groups that have money is Cosmos and Orlando. any thoughts?
Yeah, I just hope Traffic and the other stakeholders in NASL and USL Pro keep the two leagues afloat while MLS continues to grow. Pro soccer in this country is growing from the top down. Ultimately, after MLS is done expanding, the powers that be will focus on the lower leagues. When the powers that be decides to focus in...10-15 years of sketchy history/development/survival is absolutely better than nothing. I think we should all temper our expectations for NASL and USL Pro. For right now, they provide more chances for pro players and coaches in this country. They allow more fans to follow the game. Even if those chances come at $40,000 for the players and even if the survival of the league or team is unknown from year to year for the fans...it is better than nothing.
Perhaps they try to get regional rivalries for Minnesota and San Antonio. In a perfect world, Tulsa and Austin would have a benefactor to play at this level. They got to build on regional rivalries while also expanding out west according to the benchmarks. But it all depends on ownership.
So does anyone know who and what markets are the 4 teams that NASL is very close to lining up. I heard on Miami Ultras Podcast that there like 4 potential markets with ownership groups lined up.
you don't think a NASL team would have success in those markets? we shall see about San Antonio it's comparable to those markets.
We could pull a list out of our ass but that means nothing, a list of millionaires that like soccer, that we could work with. I would like a few teams close to NASL teams, that are not going to make MLS any time soon. Say Milwaukee, Boise (yes I know is not driving distance, but Calgary is not an option for a few years) Also Austin TX, and maybe a team between Atlanta and Cary. Also San Diego has the Tijuana Xolos, that would be a hard competition for even MLS.
Didn't Kartik say something about getting the top tv markets that don't have MLS. Detroit, Phoenix, Cleveland http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
Oh, Kartik said it. Well, now that's a horse of a different color. I'm 100% sure an NASL team wouldn't have success in this market where I live. But I'm also 100% sure a USL team wouldn't have success here, either. Nobody's going to have success here if they try to play from April-September, unless someone's going to build an indoor something or something with a retractable roof. So Phoenix is a non-starter, no matter WTF Kartik says. Vegas I'd be 94% sure on. San Diego would struggle for a suitable venue. Qualcomm is too big. Torero is the right size, but is on campus and a parking nightmare. Southwestern College would be an ehhh option. And, as ceezmad mentions, there's the Xolos issue. The other one you originally mentioned was Santa Fe. Please.
Mods, this is the racist comment I have ever seen on here! This was uncalled for and should be looked into.
Santa Fe is bloody tiny, it's not gonna happen ever. Eveeer. PDL maybe but that's about it; Vegas is shooting for MLS and might actually get there in the next few years if the Henderson stadium proposal is confirmed. The other two are maybes at best. It's almost as though you just stuck a pin in a map of the South-West. What next, St. George, Utah?
If I was a prospective owner I would probably look at the southeast or mid atlantic areas to put a team. It would probably reduce travel for most of the away games. Looking at a map, probably Bimingham would be the best location. From a personal stand point my favorite location would be Milwaukee. And would provide a nice rival / travel partner with the Stars. And the market could probably support a team at this level. Of course need to sell it, but doable. I've even thought of some short term and long term stadium idea. Of course I stole most of the ideas from Peter Wilt. Now all I need to do is win the PowerBall tonight. LOL
Travel is only one variable in a very complex equation. You stand a much, much better chance of success in a market that can reasonably help you generate revenue, that offers viable stadium options, has a reasonable population and corporate base and that won't kill you on workman's comp. Whether it's an average of 730 miles from two opponents or an average of 1,367 miles is slightly less important. If you get to a point where you're 3,000 miles from all your opponents, that can be an issue, though a lot of travel is based more on supply and demand than simple distance.
I'd be interested to see what would happen with a Ft. Worth team... A few friendlies with FCD every so often would be fun... But the two cities just don't have the animosity that's so conducive to successful rivalries