PBP: USWNT WWC '11 Final Roster

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by kool-aide, May 9, 2011.

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  1. philafan

    philafan Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ian Darke, the play by play announcer who made the comment, was relaying information he received from the coaching staff so I would believe it to be true. For what it's worth, when Julie Foudy wondered aloud if Farrelly would get some time in the second half, he said his sources indicated no and he was right about that.
    I've got no problem with announcing Mitts as a member of the team but having it contingent on her being healthy. If she thinks Mitts can help the team, why not milk it as long as you can (until the date rosters must be finalized) before making a call. I'd do the same thing with figuring out Tarpley's replacement.
    My only problem with this is that she seems to be leaning toward Engen as a replacement and I think she's more of a center back and we already have four of those and only two outside backs. I'd like to see a natural outside back replace Mitts.
     
  2. pattrickwolf

    pattrickwolf New Member

    Nov 7, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Rampone, Becky S, can both play right back. Amy L can play right back as well but she isnt good at it, AT ALL. But nonetheless theres solid cover for right back idk why the big deal is about Mitts.

    The final roster has been picked 12 months ago, any new faces within the last 9months have been covers for people coming back from injury. This is not a performance based team, as many of the players would not be there if it was. Nonetheless its time to cheer on what we have and hope its enough.

    :mad::confused:
     
  3. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the part of his statement that I missed -- whether he'd gotten the info directly from the coaches or not. Thanks.

    It is odd to me that of the center backs Pia's tried as outside backs, Rampone was not among them. I mean, who thinks LP is a right (or left) back but doesn't try Rampone there? :shrug: we'll see what happens next month...
     
  4. philafan

    philafan Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree out of Buehler, Rampone, Becky S and Amy L that Rampone would be the most logical to play outside. She used to be one of the top outside backs in the world, though that was a long time ago. Her wheels might not be what they were a decade ago but I still would trust her at LB over the others.
    I think some of the Pia criticism on these boards is unwarranted but this is her biggest failure as coach. She has not been able to address the LB position. It's not for lack of trying people. I think she felt she found the answer in Schnur in fall 2009 but she faded due to injury and ineffectiveness. The only other true outside backs currently listed on the player pool are Schnur and Britney Taylor. We know it's not going to be Schnur but I would prefer Taylor to Engen.
    One thing the Darke/Foudy said during the England game that I thought I heard was that Pia was trying Kelley O'Hara at LB during practice sessions. If true, that kind of shows how desperate the situation is.
    The only players I would trust to play outside right now are Mitts, Cox, Krieger and maybe Rampone. The others just don't have the speed.
     
  5. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mitts doesn't have the speed she use to have--and that's before the recent round of hamstring problems. Cox's biggest problem is her lack of speed for an outside back. But you're right that Rampone's old legs don't really have the energy for attacking back these days.

    Engen has wheels and initially CRS tried to shift her to left back last year but moved her central about halfway through the season. She was adequate but not great at left back w/ lots of room for improvement (and she did show improvement each game). I believe she was shifted back central due to more team need for her in the middle and I think but am too lazy to actually go look it up, that her move central coincided with the coaching change. I may be totally wrong on the timing.
     
  6. philafan

    philafan Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are right that Mitts is not as fast as she used to be but if reasonably healthy, and that's a big if right now, Mitts is still faster than any of those converted center backs and she's probably quicker than Cox IMO.
    I didn't realize CRS tried Engen outside because I thought they played Dalmy and Spigler out there. But to get to this point and be experimenting with converted center backs and attacking players at LB scares me to death. They should have a sure thing by now and I am just not thrilled with any of the options. I have visions of Marta or some other opposing speedster going around the chosen LB like a traffic cone.
    So based on what you have seen of Engen and Taylor and factoring in the team's needs, which player would you select?
     
  7. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You, too, make good points and yeah, healthy Mitts is prolly faster than healthy LP. But Healthy Mitts (tm) doesn't exist anymore.

    Dalmy was their right back and did a darn good job. The left back was filled w/ a variety of people during the 2 years--some better than others. Spilger did play left back once Engen was moved center. I did a quick search and (if the bigsoccer threads can be trusted) and it seems Marcia was the one that moved Engen back middle and Spilger left after Hayes was fired. That continued for the rest of the season. iirc (and I didn't double check) Dieke played in the middle w/ Markgraf at the beginning of the season. And maybe Spilger some, too. But I don't remember.

    Word. To your mother, even

    Trick question. I'd have both on my team :D
     
  8. philafan

    philafan Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know you would but if Mitts were declared out for WWC and you already were committed to Buehler, Amy L, Rampone, Becky S., Cox and Kreiger on defense and had just one available slot, who would you add if it was your choice? I might go with Taylor but it looks like it will be Engen.
     
  9. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You and your "making" me make touch choices :p ;)

    Sauerbrunn played left back the majority of the 2010 WPS season. Cox is a left back. Pia's tried LP & Buehler out left. Sauerbrunn & Krieger are both able to play right back. Rampone (as you rightly pointed out) is only going to be a CB.
     
  10. BrooklynSoccer

    BrooklynSoccer Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    Becky just played left back for her club team yesterday, right?. she can play basically any position on the back line.
     
  11. BrooklynSoccer

    BrooklynSoccer Member+

    Jan 22, 2008

    amen
     
  12. philafan

    philafan Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, you are one of Pia's critics and these are the kinds of decisions she has to make on a regular basis. Tough isn't it.
    I just don't know if any of those options quell my concerns about LB. I'm OK with Kreiger and Cox at RB.
    Do you think Sauerbrunn has the ability to play LB on the international level? I have not seen her play outside in WPS or if I did, it has left my memory.
    I guess we'll get a feel for what Pia's thinking next weekend in the Mexico game.
     
  13. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't understand the discussion about Cox at RB. So far as I know, she's always been at LB.
     
  14. philafan

    philafan Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right but let's say she doesn't start at LB and the team needed to bring someone off the bench behind Kreiger at RB, I think she could do that. Not sure that Buehler, Amy L, Rampone could and wonder if Sauerbrunn could.
     
  15. ForeverLOST108

    ForeverLOST108 Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Orlando
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Engen ever needed to suit up to play RB she'd do just fine. She did play forward her first two years at UNC so going forward and getting in the attack shouldn't be an issue for her if she were to play RB. Obviously she is a much better central defender and deserves to be on this team. (Which she proved when she shut down Wambach and made her practically invisible in last weeks WNY-MJ game)
     
  16. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was teasing and haveing a bit of fun w/ you :)

    BT plays outside more regularly than Engen but has been primarily on the right this year. Engen has more speed & can send a good enough long ball but her defending/recovery on the outside is not where it could be. At this point, given the # of camps, I would choose Engen. But a team I put together would have both.

    I was all aboard the Pia bandwagon for some time -- really until the 2010 summer/fall camps & friendlies. The entire qualifying campaign was when I jumped to the hardcore criticism.

    And then there's the whole CM issue. Bob Bradley's biggest critics think he plays Michael Bradley less than Pia plays Lloyd ;) just joking folks
     
  17. BrooklynSoccer

    BrooklynSoccer Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    Farrelly turned down an invitation to the current Nat training camp.
    That's really interesting. I wonder why.
    She said she would rather play with her club team (than possibly going to the world cup)
     
  18. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Um, you might maybe want to source that a little bit?

    For the rest of us who haven't heard it except from you and don't know where to look?
     
  19. soccermuse

    soccermuse Member

    Aug 5, 2010
    Australia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They (commentators) were talking about Farrelly turning down the invitation from Pia during today's match (Independence vs WNY).
     
  20. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Sorry-- could have deduced that from the timing of the post, I suppose.

    As usual I'll be watching it on Tivo in a few...
     
  21. philafan

    philafan Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was half kidding as well; I just figured out how to use the smiles. https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif
    Glad I pinned you down on that one in my attempt to make you Pia for a day. If only Ali Riley had not committed to New Zealand, then we wouldn't be having this conversation cause we'd have our left back. After just watching the Philly-WNY game, she's as good a LB as you will see. And she was less than 100 percent.
    On Farrelly turning down the camp invite, while I would have liked to see her go, there could have been some kind of communication with the coaching staff that it was O'Hara's spot to lose. I have great faith that Farrelly will make the Olympic team next year and be a fixture on the national team for several years to come.
     
  22. philafan

    philafan Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or maybe I didn't learn how to use the smiles. I am really technologically savvy.
     
  23. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Classic. Sounds like me. Leave it. Don't try to fix it...(!)
     
  24. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Why is Cox even on the WNT WWC squad? If she's so awful that every outfield player with the simple ability to run in a straight line quickly is being auditioned for the LB spot, just leave her at home :confused:.

    While the Mitts situation is a mess, in Krieger there's a ready made replacement to take her spot. The whole LB situation though is just embarrassing, especially for Cox. Cox as the teams only qualified LB, should now be assured as a WWC starter. Instead her place has seen players pass through it quicker than Superman man going through revolving doors.:rolleyes:

    At this rate the entire U.S. back four will simply consist of CB's. Actually with this side, is that a good thing :confused:.
     
  25. pattrickwolf

    pattrickwolf New Member

    Nov 7, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Preach

    this is one of my biggest issues with Pia. She has horrid player management. There are handful of players on this roster as well as preselection roster who spent the better part of a year feeling they did not belong on the team by the way they were treated.

    It is insulting to see players who do not even play your position called upon before you.

    Pia acts like USA consist of 6 players and whoever else is there serves no purpose. She stretches these players beyond their talents.

    I can understand, players 17-20, on the outskirts of the core. Players 1-15 make up the core of the team for me I see Pia treating players 7-20 like crap, with no intention of using them or infusing them into the system of things. This is no team, its Hope Llyod Abby pull the rabbit out the hat like last time.

    Pia serenaded everyone with her philosphy of possesion football. Yet players like Cox, Lori L, Yael, Tobin, Cheney, Tina D, Tarpley, Becky S, who keep possesion who play as a team get treated as if they do not belong.

    Look how well Becky S is playing for the Nt, if it were not for injuries she wouldnt even see the field. They dragged her along for all of qualifying, she almost didnt even make the cut. I feel, the US has many other players who could preform as well and improve the team given the chance to be treated as part of the team. Our players are some of the best in the world when they are not being treated as useless.
     

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