Well the idea is that the laws and regulations of the game have to be the same everywhere and in every tier of the game. The rich leagues and countries can maybe afford to install video technology/goal line technology in all of their stadia but most of the other countries and regions can't. At least thats what the anti technology people say. If i was in charge, we would have an experienced ref manning the video booth and overruling the on field ref, at least on things going on in the penalty box and goal line decisions. So what if the top leagues had a slightly different way of officiating than the others.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] How in the world does the NFL have video technology if high school football in the USA does not? Crazy world we live in. Every single goal or penalty or red card MUST be reviewed in the booth and reversed/confirmed. Offsides should be automatic without a ref on the field, they have technology which can follow the path of a tennis ball going 100+ MPH to the centimeter, i'm pretty sure offsides calls are easy as pie and very accurate. I don't know why there is even a question. It will happen sooner or later, let's make it sooner. Of course we don't have any say in the matter so..lol...
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Thank god you have nothing to say in this matter. Lets say you did: What about freekicks shouldnt they be reviewed as well? They are gamechangers too you know. If you want red cards review you need yellow too. What if the second yellow was worthy but the first one questionable?? Fu** that, we let R2D2 decide. Congrats, you got yourself 90 minutes of soccer with about 90 commercial breaks in them. What happens if the review board dissagrees? Take it to court and have an extra commercial break, it probably takes a while... lets invent commercial movies instead. Tech fails dude, then what. You dont change a winning team. Soccer is a winning team. I understand that som little nerdy boys want to turn it into a video game, but stating that they dont even know why it could be in question is just ignorance.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] No one is saying to change the game, people just want to improve it. In the past 5 years the refs have been horrible around Europe. Intentional or not, refs mistakes have changed the outcome of many important games. I'd put Video refereeing in CL, EL, Continental Nation Cups, World Cup. Teams can afford it if they are in those competitions. I haven't really researched on this matter so i don't know what the cost would be and that is one very important factor in this matter. I am very curious to know how much it would cost as it's not just cameras. It must include: HD Cameras. 2 for each goal, 2 for offsides and X for the rest of the field. Software - which imo will be the most expensive part Sensors/Tracking device. Staff to handle the above Repair costs This is from the spidercam website: I assume it would be very expensive to get all of the above things, but it would be worth it in higher level competitions like the CL or World Cup.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Hypothetical you just use the live feed running from the TV production trucks. There you go, atleast 16 cameras. Make the 4th ref watch replays instantly and tell the ref if its a clear offside/pen. Not like the information would be sent with UK postal service. Then again, keep that shit out of football, no need to Americanize our proud sport.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] As its a refereeing improvement it should not belong to the TV companies. It should belong to FIFA, so if shit happens we can blame FIFA and not anyone else who isn't responsible for that.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] See, I understood where this argument was coming from. But then I saw they hired loads of extra people to do what a simple camera can do anyway. One person with the aid of a camera can do the job of four people without a camera, with greater accuracy and at a lower cost. And besides, not every tier of the game is equal, and FIFA and UEFA know this. You do the best you can with the resources you have available, at every tier. At the grassroots, you use jumpers for posts and without a referee, and things get more formalised the higher you play. Even the quality of refereeing is supposed to improve at different levels. That's why FIFA vet the performance of referees at each stage and they only choose the best ref for the top games. If they want to claim that things should be equal, I want to see them use a random ref from the lower leagues to ref the World Cup final. They can't claim that a back-water qualifier has the same resources thrown at it than the World Cup final, so why are they arguing that video technology should only be used if everyone has access to it across the board? I wasn't in favour of video technology, but I can't see any reason to oppose it any longer. Sorry about the off-topic btw.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Not changing you say? How 90 board interrupts is not a changer beats me. Applying sensorsuits to players would be kinda strange too i think. It should be 100 % coverage in order to make it work. I think you need to step up with some evidence of these horrible refs that has changed winners to loosers in important CL / WC matches in the past say 3 years. Before you get away with ruining my sport. Ill start with the first one Henry vs Ireland. I actually cant come up with anything else. Is it worth the drama? Hell no!
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Yeah, let's allow the hacks to rob and steal, decide based on personal preference and chose who wins and who doesn't! That's the beauty of our sport isn't it? You're so wrong man. Just because Manchester United and Real Madrid make a lot of money, doesn't mean that the sport is growing, it's actually the other way around. Lack of transparency (such as with the World Cup decision) is making even older fans completely lose interest. Anyway, a lot of big clubs have the capability of showing the replay on the monitor, in fact a lot of them do. I've been to Bayern games where they repeat goals and goal scoring chances as they happen. I think they have a rule that prevents them showing cards and other decisions, to not create any "doubt in the officials mind", but the possibility is right there in their hands, it's just not being used because the UEFA is afraid that we might notice how terrible their hacks in black are. About the interruption thing: After every foul, the players argue for half a minute about it. If the replay would be on their monitor, they'd shut the f*** up and look at the proof for that half a minute.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] You already have interruptions because of divers, especially during the last part of 2nd half when their team is winning. As i said in that post, there would be STAFF, that staff would include a FIFA ref, the 5th ref, who thanks to to the technology available to him would be able to review the call in a matter of seconds, not minutes. I am against interruptions of the game too. The flow of a football game is what makes me like it more then other sports. But i don't think they will be more then 4-5 mins per game.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] I think they used to show replays of suspicious calls in some games of the 2004 World Cup, iirc? I think i remember players pointing out to the huge monitor and laughing or complaining to the ref. Not sure if it was WC'04 but i think i've seen it somewhere.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] The difference is that i think referees were still not supposed to use it as a tool to decide. Another thing you have to think about is their pride, most officials don't think they need any help.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Yeap, i was just mentioning it as i don't think i've seen FIFA allow it ever again. The way they protect their refs is ridiculous. There would have to be big changes in FIFA for them to allow video tech.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Put your money where your mouth is. Provide some facts on the dying sport Start here
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] I believe that the refs cant keep up with the pace of the game anymore. People like Dani Alves have revolutionized diving in ways that refs cant even think of let a lone see it with the naked eye on the field. Horrible mistakes like the one from Chelsea vs Barca will eventually make people grow tired of the awful refereeing.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Attendance around europe is sinking. People from my circle are starting to cancel their season tickets one after another. The economic situation in a lot of countries is slowly making people reconsider if football is worth spending their money on. The sport is not "dying", but it is shrinking. Look at Spain. You'll rarely see a sold out stadium anymore. Getafe gives you the impression that there's more empty than attendants every weekend. Sevilla's attendance numbers have become worse and worse. There people don't just go to Betis, they stop spending money- they will attend one match every two months instead of one every two weeks. You can use all the Manchester United and Real Madrid stats all you want, but football around europe is starting to downsize drastically. This is not a matter of the referees, but people that feel robbed, are not going to keep spending any hard earned money on something that makes them feel miserable. I can go to the stadium and screaming "son of a *****" once, twice, but where does that take me? Football needs more transparency. People have all this technology around them, but in football we stay stuck to a past century to save a tradition that doesn't exist.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Average attendance in European top six leagues in 2010/2011 is almost identical to 2000/01 year. There is a slight drop, mainly because of the prices but it's got nothing to do with lack of transparency.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Increase in population as well as the increase in the stadium sizes make your point a bit weak demo. I do however also disagree with 4x4 s points,your circle is a small sample and can be reflective or not.The economic situation is a phase(it can reoccur)and it will pass.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] what is your source? Definitely not in the serie A where average attendances are clearly declining 2009/10 - 24,603 2001/02 - 27,408 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attendance/_/league/ita.1/year/2001/italian-serie-a?cc=5901
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] I'm sure the calciopoli did nothing to harm the teams involved in terms of attendance. Only a idiot would claim football is on the right path and nothing has to change. We have the technology, but we don't use it for? There is no tradition that prevents improvement in football, we're not speaking about golf, even though i'm sure that the people in charge of the federations there will probably be more open minded than the guys in football. If tradition would matter so much we wouldn't change the brand and technology of the football itself every year, hell, we wouldn't even have introduced yellow and red cards. Especially in the Champions League, where almost every team has a monitor, it is completely easy and comfortable. In stadiums that don't have a monitor, the fourth official could have a portable monitor around. Result manipulation is not a part of any tradition or football culture. It's something that's doing more harm than good to the sport.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Only an idiot would use technology just because we can. I havent used any ManU or Real stats at all. Show me some documentation on your detailed insights. Downsized drastically, people robbed, hard earned money, misery. Throw in Brad Pitt and you got yourself a Blockbuster.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] How many matches have you attended this season? How many season ticket owners do you personally know? You are a member or former member at how many clubs? I even know a Bayern fan that canceled his season ticket 2 years ago because he honestly thinks it's a waste of money, instead he just goes to a select few games. You're backing up your "football is juuust fine the way it is" theory by looking at "answers.com" mirror mirror on the wall what's the greatest sport of them all?
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] I wasn't even arguing about that, but the numbers didn't drop dramatically as you have claimed.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Interesting discussion but doesn't belong in the Lyon thread, so I've moved the posts here.
Re: Olympique Lyonnais vs Real Madrid | UEFA CL 1st KO - Post-match Discussion [R] Im not backing up anything. Im just trying to find documentation on your doomday prophecy. I think I now understand that its based on your history of a Bayern fan who cancelled his season ticket (cant blame him, I would have done the same).