Yuki Abe at Leicester City Official Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Japan' started by sphericalfox, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. sphericalfox

    sphericalfox New Member

    Nov 4, 2010
    Leeds, UK
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    I don't think Abe can be held solely accountable for Milner's goal. Our defenders just went missing. Hobbs was too slow to get a tackle in and Bamba lost his concentration.

    I have said that Abe will have to work hard until we get solid defenders with experience, as he is doing defensive duties and tracking back a lot more than he should have to. How he keeps it up shows how fit he is.

    I think it's unfair to say, as mentioned by another poster to say that he didn't make one tackle all game. That's not what I saw. It was a real team effort, and Abe didn't let us down. It will be a different story at Eastlands on the 18th Jan.

    I am glad that game got a wide audience so people could see the improvement in Leicester's team, and the potential that we have.

    I am going to ignore your comments about us only being a 2nd tier football club, therefore we aren't used to seeing quality.

    If you don't regularly watch the Championship, then it's difficult make a statement about the league and the level of it's quality. It's a lot higher than you think, and Abe is good, but isn't the best player in the league by any stretch of the imagination.
     
  2. stefanole

    stefanole Member

    Mar 26, 2009
    Hiroshima
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    I still remember Thomas Gaardsøe's spectacular headed goal in Ipswich's 2-1 win at the Walker's eight years ago. I'm aware of the quality of the Championship, and it's pointless arguing that Leicester aren't a lower-quality team. It's a fact that the Championship is not the Premier League.

    The point is that Abe should be emerging as one of the best players in that league, and the transfer to Leicester should have been a stepping-stone to a further move upwards. This is the point behind his "England dream". He didn't come to England because he aspired to play for Leicester, he came because he wanted to succeed and establish himself in the top flight. If he wants to do that, then he has to improve. If he genuinely can't improve, then I don't know why he bothered.
     
  3. sphericalfox

    sphericalfox New Member

    Nov 4, 2010
    Leeds, UK
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Stefanole, what I am saying, and I'm not looking for a back and forth arguement, is the tone in which you described 'Foxestalk' and how dismissive you were of Leicester fans opinions. It wasn't nice.

    I am well aware that the CCC is not the Premiership, however if you compare the '2nd tier' as you described it to any other countries 2nd league and you'll find not only is it tremendously supported, but the standard of football is way higher. The amount of money now being spent in the CCC rivals that of the French and German 1st leagues.

    And with the way you talk, I can only assume that little old Leicester will not gain promotion this year or the next, and once Abe gets Premiership attention he'll be off.

    Leicester historically is known as a Premiership team. An underdog where the players scrap and fight for their fans. As we have more money than half of the current Premiership, and a manager who arguably is has more plaudits than half of the Premiership managers, I'd say Abe might want to stay and play for Sven, and show some loyalty. He seems like that type of bloke. We have plenty of money and have no need to sell any of our players.

    Had we not had the terrible start to our season, we would currently be in the promotion playoff places.

    If you are short on the history of Leicester City. Wiki is a good place to start. ;)
     
  4. stefanole

    stefanole Member

    Mar 26, 2009
    Hiroshima
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    I was born in Northampton. The less I know about Leicester the better. :p

    Seriously though, just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean that they are ignorant, and it doesn't mean they are being mean to you. I haven't made any personal attacks and I not offering an uninformed opinion.

    Abe is a 29-year old Japanese international. The English Championship is not the limit of his ambition. I will be happy for him if he and Leicester get to the Premier League and tear it up. I'm sure I will try and catch some games and will him on. I may even take a trip up to the Walker's. But England is not the centre of the football Universe, much as some might believe, and the chance to play in the Championship is not what drew Abe. The Premier League is. Either Abe moves to the Premier League with another team, or he gets there with Leicester, or he goes home having failed. This is just the facts of the situation. The less he improves, the further towards the last option we will get. His England adventure has already cost him a place with the Japan NT in Qatar. The status quo will probably ensure the end of his international career.
     
  5. sphericalfox

    sphericalfox New Member

    Nov 4, 2010
    Leeds, UK
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    stefanole, I don't disparage a differing opinion, but to make the statement in which you did, it might suggest to others that Leicester City, and their fans wouldn't know quality and this is, I'm afraid going to be taken as a slight, by me and I would think most Leicester fans. I don't mind that you think Abe arrival in Leicester is a step down in his career and you would have preferred he went to a Premiership team in the first place, or as you've said somewhere else, as England isn't the centre of the footballing universe. You see, I can be patronising too ;) I am more than knowledgeable of football outside of England and don't take the stereotype views that some do both in England and outside about fans, and their viewpoints or beliefs. ;)

    My understanding, and you'll I'm sure disagree, as is your right, that the current manager of Japan is looking to a younger Japanese team, and his omission has nothing to do to with his playing with Leicester. In fact, he was the most in-form person in our squad, so unless, as has happened in some sport, the coach is only choosing players that play within that particular country, then I'd disagree with your call there. There's a few people on this forum would take that line too.
     
  6. stefanole

    stefanole Member

    Mar 26, 2009
    Hiroshima
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    The current squad includes many players who are playing in Europe. In fact one has recently transferred from Hiroshima to Cologne in the Bundesliga, but if he were transferring to 2. Bundesliga then it may have been a different story. No coach leaves out a player who is too good to be left out - see David Beckham's career (also on Wiki :p)

    I am not saying that Leicester's Championship status is the only factor, but it is definitely a factor. Equally I'm sure that there are others who will agree, but as you can see I don't form my opinions on the basis of consensus.

    I respect Abe for his decision to try and make it in England, because it is a profound country in terms of its depth of talent in the league system. This is why England has a genuine claim to having the best domestic cup competition in the World in the form of the FA Cup. There is no doubt that Leicester are a decent team and that they potentially could consolidate and compete at the same level consistently as, say, Spurs.

    But this is missing the point. England is a challenge, and simply doing well in the Championship is not what Abe or the Urawa fans who are buying the "We Believe In Your Dream" or whatever it was scarves have in mind. Abe isn't your "hook" into the "Asian market" or whatever some guys at Leicester might have been hoping, Japan isn't really going to take notice until Abe is in the top flight. No amount of "the Championship is actually at a high standard" is going to change that. I'm just trying to be realistic.
     
  7. sphericalfox

    sphericalfox New Member

    Nov 4, 2010
    Leeds, UK
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Lol, David Beckham is another topic. I agree that no one in Asia, especially the owners' country of Thailand will pay attention to Leicester until we are in the Prem. Abe has remarkably improved since his arrival in the CCC, he has adapted to a very physical and demanding schedule and type of football.

    There was more apprehension to Abe's arrival as a marketing gimmick amongst Leicester fans' and he has won them over with his spirit and determination. He will improve as Leicester does, and the two are making large strides towards the Premiership.

    What I was attempting to get across was that those who may have read your comments, may have got the suggestion that Abe was not playing well, and wasn't improving, and that what Leicester fans were saying on their own forum was incorrect, as they are '2nd tier fans'. Do you see where I am coming from and how this might be construed as misleading and inaccurate?
     
  8. stefanole

    stefanole Member

    Mar 26, 2009
    Hiroshima
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    You've been talking around what I've said for this entire page.

    I didn't say he wasn't improving. I didn't disparage the fans. You're obviously not reading what I'm saying, and at this point you're just asking me to repeat myself. If you are seriously trying to tell me that Leicester is a top-tier club (wtf do the fans have to do with it?), then you are clearly delusional. That makes this a pointless discussion, and I'm out.
     
  9. sphericalfox

    sphericalfox New Member

    Nov 4, 2010
    Leeds, UK
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    OK, even though you are 'out' (I didn't think you got Dragon's Den in Japan...but I digress), but your career comparison of Beckham and Abe is as delusional and laughable thing I have read on a football forum for some time. Here's a quote on wiki that might be comparable, but I'll explain why it's NOT afterwards:

    'Having stepped down as captain after the World Cup, Beckham was dropped completely from the England national team selected by new coach Steve McClaren on 11 August 2006. McClaren claimed that he was "looking to go in a different direction" with the team, and that Beckham "wasn't included within that." McClaren said Beckham could be recalled in future.' I'm trying to be helpful here.

    Now afterward McClaren was dispatched it was clear that the English FA were very interested to keep Beckham in the England set-up as a marketing instrument whether or not he was fit enough or in actual form to play for the team. Thus taking the place of another player who might be. This is course was all whilst he still played for Real Madrid.

    He then shoved of under a tremendously lucrative contract for LA Galaxy. Which all the football experts in England would consider on a footballing level, comparable to our League One. But that's okay because Becks and the 'Stick' can sell their celebrity status and Becks can continue building his brand and network of footballing academies.

    Please stop reading when this sounds a bit dissimilar to Abe's situation. But the only reason Becks has or has had anything to do with the England set-up for the last 3/4 years is his celebrity and nothing to do with his skills as he is past it. He couldn't make it into the squad as he was lacking pace, and form. Those are the facts.

    Abe is still cutting the mustard, as they say. Your coach seems to be taking a new and youthful approach and from what I've read there are several other youngsters able to play his position. If Abe was Premiership quality, the likes of Bolton, Everton, West Ham, or many others would have snapped him up. He wasn't expensive.

    Taking the opportunity to join us, I hope he can build his understanding up of the CCC and then be a better player, where other Japanese have failed to do so.

    I have never said we are a top tier club, currently we are in the CCC. But we have a history of being a Premiership team, and whilst that means nothing to you, what being from Northampton etc. A hotbed of football.

    Your comment: "He needs to improve this if he is going to go further in England, because let's not forget he is impressing fans of a second-tier English club. " was in direct reference to another posters link to Foxestalk which they suggested that the fans who actually attended the games, as they do every week, were in fact in total contrast to a previous statement you made about Abe's tackling and performance.

    Are you suggesting that I have taken your specifically worded sentence and taken it out of context?

    I don't care for an apology, there are posters like you on every forum. I will simply now ignore your ignorance and chat with the more amiable posters. You are of course more than welcome to join FoxesTalk and discuss CCC, for which, I have no doubt from your posts you are an expert and you do seem to have an answer for everything ;)

    Thanks for the rivetting chat, but my conversation with you specifically is 'over & out'.:D
     
  10. goru_no_ura

    goru_no_ura Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 20, 2006
    Miyako of Zipang
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Yes guys, please move on... Thanks :)
     
  11. sphericalfox

    sphericalfox New Member

    Nov 4, 2010
    Leeds, UK
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Yes. Sorry about that. But I felt I had to defend Leicester's honour ;)
     
  12. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    By reading at different Leicester boards the fans seem to like him more and more. He is getting better and better.

    Very fun.
     
  13. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Won 4-2 today

    Abe had a good game
     

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