The Official Soccer Basher Thread, Part Deux.

Discussion in 'Business and Media' started by geordienation, May 27, 2006.

  1. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, the thread is for "soccer bashers" ... so ...
     
  2. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody cares if they watch soccer. Responding to stuff like this in numbers does show readers (and editors) how people who think like this are not typical, average Americans, or that this is not what the nation as a whole thinks, no matter how much idiots like this pretend different.

    I'm not out to make morons watch soccer, I'm out to keep them from writing any more stupid things about it.
     
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  3. Pathogen

    Pathogen Member

    Jul 19, 2004
    Like you care.
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know. I kind of like to know who the idiots are.
     
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  4. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. tambo

    tambo Member

    Jun 9, 2007
    This patronizing line from the piece -- "the Americans spent the last several days reveling in their newfound celebrity" -- is so funny. The writer apparently thinks these guys can be "celebrities" only if they've had a few days of American headlines.

    I've seen a lot of similar assertions since last week. It's almost as if these pundits don't realize that Donovan, Dempsey, Howard, etc., are already well-known figures around the world. These guys already know what fame is like. It's not like they're unaccustomed to seeing their names in newspapers or something.
     
  6. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah - i heard similar sentiments just today on Around The Horn or PTI. This is the ESPN Disconnect, why I think there's still a gap to bridge. The typical soccer people know that Landon and Tim are well loved by Everton faithful and Dempsey (and McBride) at Fulham, but no one else knows. They know the World Cup and a bit of MLS and that's it. Unless there's a riot.
     
  7. Pathogen

    Pathogen Member

    Jul 19, 2004
    Like you care.
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is almost poetry.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBkbj_S3etY"]YouTube- Soccer - America's Path To Socialism[/ame]
     
  8. taocpa

    taocpa Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    Bowie, MD USA
    Pretty funny.

    Hate to spoil it, for those who may not know, he's a professional comic. Something just seemed to slick about the production of this video. Anyway, it wasn't hard to figure out after that.
     
  9. tambo

    tambo Member

    Jun 9, 2007
    That will actually be a great video to have handy next time you encounter a particularly annoying soccer basher. Just point them toward that clip and say, "Ahh, so you're like this guy, then..."
     
  10. Pathogen

    Pathogen Member

    Jul 19, 2004
    Like you care.
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come'on, man. You ruin the joke by explaining it.
     
  11. taocpa

    taocpa Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    Bowie, MD USA
    Pathogen,

    Sorry, but he reminded me too much of "Larry the Cable-Guy" in his early days.

    While it's funny, I just thought something was up a couple of minutes in. I just can't stand comedians who think they are being original when this has been done before.

    It would have been funnier coming from "The Guy from Boston."

     
  12. Pathogen

    Pathogen Member

    Jul 19, 2004
    Like you care.
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're just the third person that has pointed out that it's a joke as if I and anyone else with half a brain couldn't figure that out.
     
  13. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You have to admit, there are enough incredibly stupid people around to account for at least some doubt. I'll bet that you could hear the same things, said in earnest, at any teabagger meeting.
     
  14. JJ Mindset

    JJ Mindset Member

    Dec 7, 2000
  15. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *sigh* and this is why Miss Teen South Carolina is not an aberration - even among supposed learned journalists like such as

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WALIARHHLII"]maps[/ame]
     
  16. taocpa

    taocpa Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    Bowie, MD USA
    Pathogen,

    I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. I didn't realize others told you it was a joke.

    I am sick of having to defend soccer as a sport. A friend told me that soccer isn't a sport, yet baseball has a "science" to it. I nearly dropped my teeth when I heard that. Every sport has some element of science behind it, i.e., physics, motion, energy, etc.

    I am tired of ugly Americans saying that it is not a sport because you don't use your hands and it is hard to score. That is what makes it a great sport. It should be a challenge to score and not use your hands.

    What a bunch of retards.
     
  17. tambo

    tambo Member

    Jun 9, 2007
    Go cleanse your palate with this: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100701
     
  18. Pathogen

    Pathogen Member

    Jul 19, 2004
    Like you care.
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No one had to tell me it was a joke, is my point. It was obviously a joke even if it stretches the limits of Poe's Law.
     
  19. jcvf90

    jcvf90 Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boca Raton, FL
  20. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    I really am getting tired of the "this wont change soccer's standing in America" arguement.

    I mean these people claim they are "constantly being told" that X event is going to cause a breakout of soccer.

    Are people really claiming that? its such a dumb strawman arguement.
     
  21. tambo

    tambo Member

    Jun 9, 2007
    Bingo! You've touched on one of my biggest pet peeves. It's, like, completely made up.

    The worst is when they take this strawman and then distort the reality on top of it: "They said Pele/Beckham/MLS/1994 would make soccer big in America, but they didn't." Um, actually, they did. All those things pushed the sport along in this country, and without them we'd still be back in 1975, when soccer truly WAS invisible in the United States.
     
  22. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. tambo

    tambo Member

    Jun 9, 2007
    FIFA may be stubborn about change, but soccer-bashing is a game of constantly shifting goalposts.
     
  24. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    The problem with those 2 shows kind of a double edged sword.

    The good is that they have spent alot of time discussing world cup/soccer and have done so in a somewhat positive light. They have attempted (for non soccer people) to actually discuss it in a semi-serious fashion, and do a little homework.

    The bad is that when they open their mouths and start using terms like "our population X times bigger than Ghana, and we have so many kids playing soccer, we should therefore win" or "this team is FIFA ranked 10, the other is 15, so 10 should OBVIOUSLY win" or my personal favorite "we made qtr finals b/4, anything less is a failure."

    It becomes an almost be careful what you wish for scenario regarding mainstream coverage... However, I will gladly take it, warts and all.
     
  25. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    What pisses me off about that article is that it somehow managed to make its way into a huge number of newspapers. My local paper in CT, the NY post, your paper in Utah, and other internet sights.

    How that hack gets that much exposure is annoying.
     

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