Octavos de Final- como ven los cruces de Copa 2010?

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  1. devilman

    devilman Member

    Dec 26, 2004
    Houston,Tx.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Universitario lost , whats so hard to understand? :confused:
     
  2. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Para que la polemica entre la U de Chile y ALianza quede zanjada de una vez, he aqui la declaracion del arbitro del partido y su explicacion, donde queda mas que claro que el segundo gol azul fue legitimo.

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    Juez del duelo copero de la "U": "Hice justicia al corregir el error"

    Carlos Vera explicó sus polémicas decisiones en el Monumental, que al final le dio lla clasificación a los azules en la Libertadores.

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    "Es la primera vez que me pasa una cosa así. Nunca me tocó vivir dos jugadas polémicas y menos terminar resguardado por la fuerza policial, fue algo lamentable y nos vimos muy complicados", comienza diciendo Carlos Vera a La Tercera, tras la polémica desatada por los dos goles que marcó en el duelo entre la "U" y Alianza y que terminó con la clasificación azul a cuartos de final. "Siento que era un partido que estaba dirigiendo muy bien y que se desvirtuó por dos jugadas puntuales, en especial por el último gol. Estoy muy apenado", reconoce, para luego adentrarse en el primer gol de Alianza, donde para muchos la pelota no entró.
    "En el gol de Fernández yo veo correr a mi asistente Luis Alvarado al centro del campo. No tuvo dudas y por tanto sancioné el gol. Es una jugada que sí dejó muchas dudas", añade. Sin embargo, su gran dolor de cabeza vino con el gol final. "En esa jugada hubo un apresuramiento de Alvarado al levantar la bandera, pero yo hice justicia al corregir su error. Actuamos como debía hacerse, validando el gol. Yo lo había sancionado inmediatamente (el gol), porque no tuve dudas", asevera.
    Sobre la conversación que sostuvo con el cuestionado línea y la presión de Pelusso en el gol final fue claro: "Mi asistente me dice que levanta la bandera, porque vio que la pelota la desvía un jugador de la 'U' que estaba offside. Ante eso, lo corregí, porque el balón lo desvió un jugador de Alianza y no tengo dudas que el tanto es legítimo. Estoy tranquilo, hice mi trabajo. ¿Pelusso? No incide en mi cobro".
    Con Alvarado lo pasa mal
    Sin embargo, el juez reconoce que ve lejano seguir dirigiendo en esta Copa: "Sé que con todo esto las posibilidades de seguir dirigiendo se van a achicar, es un momento duro". De hecho, el presidente de la comisión de árbitros de su país, Roger Zambrano, fue claro:
    "Vamos a hablar con Vera y sus asistentes, porque nos molesta la forma en que procedieron, les faltó carácter", dijo.
    Desde Asunción, Carlos Alarcón, timonel de la comisión de jueces de Conmebol, acotó que "no fue el desempeño ideal y habrá que ver el informe para ver qué se hace".
    En tanto, Vera reconoció lo mal que lo pasa su asistente: "En el vuelo de regreso, Alvarado estaba muy callado, habló poco y nosotros tratamos de levantarlo". Además, adelantó que "ya entregué el informe. Agradezco a Carabineros, pues gracias a ellos el acoso de la gente de Alianza no pasó a mayores. Si Gustavo Costas y la gente de Alianza intentó agredirme, yo no los vi".


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  3. Broncano

    Broncano Moderator

    Jul 31, 2006
    Lima
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Yes, guys please stop this nonsense talk about Universitario de Sucre
     
  4. devilman

    devilman Member

    Dec 26, 2004
    Houston,Tx.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Sacasm is hard to understand sometimes , no?
     
  5. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    [grammar policia]especially if not spelled correctly.[grammar policia]




    :D
     
  6. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Lol...sour grapes anyone? Alianza lost this match in Peru with their two dummy defenders clashing against each other. There were two doubtful goals in this second match, the fair thing would be to allow both or disallow both. There where allowed...move on.

    This was by far our worst game though, it can only get better next time around.
     
  7. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Agreed...and quite frankly its irrelevant now.
     
  8. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Good point. It is indeed invalid.
     
  9. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Actually the whole ball has to cross the goal line "A team can only score if the whole ball crosses the goal line between the goalposts" (Football Rules of the Game)

    Also, the linesman does NOT have the authority to invalidate the goal, he only raises his flag and then he talks to the main ref and the main ref is the one who makes the decision, and thats exactly what happened.
     
  10. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Actually the rules say its offiside when the offside player goes into play, either touching the ball or like we have said before, blocking the view of the goalie or distracting him. Its not when the ball aparts from the passing player's foot.
     
  11. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    It's a tough one really...and not as clear cut as Peruvian press make it out to be.
     
  12. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    In this particular situation, it is irrelevant to talk about when the ball left the player's foot, because the offside position of the players is not what is being debated.

    The only debatable point here is whether the players who were in an offside position blocked the goalkeeper's view or in any way interfered with the play. It's hard to tell, but looking at all the replays it seems to me that it is unlikely, and that what caused the goal and messed up the goalkeeper was the fact the ball bounced off a defender and changed directions.
     
  13. Broncano

    Broncano Moderator

    Jul 31, 2006
    Lima
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru

    I agree. Peruvian press (nor Chilean for that matter) is going to provide the most objective and definite answer to this one.

    Either way, I don't think we will will ever have a definite answer. It all winds down to the ref's interpretation if those two players actually interfered with the play. 20 years from now people will still be discussing this.

    I guess that's the more frustrating part for alianza fans. Like a loved one who goes missing but whose body was never located. They'll never be at peace.
     
  14. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Agreed...I would have felt cheated if both doubtful goals would have gone for Alianza...
     
  15. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Thats what they get for being friends with colo colo:D
     
  16. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Hmmm...I don't think that is something we should be proud of.
     
  17. Broncano

    Broncano Moderator

    Jul 31, 2006
    Lima
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Heh, yes hopefully this week is over and we can all resume to our colo-colo/alianza hating. :D
     
  18. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    something we could agree with hahaha
     
  19. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    That a player is in an offside position does not mean the play is an offside call. The referee has to judge whether any of the offside players is participating in the action.

    In my opinion, the deciding factor was that the Alianza defender didn't just deflect the ball by accident, but he went for the ball to try to head out for a corner. That is enough to make the play legit, and the goal stand.
     
  20. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    this is over, but the only reason why i posted serveral comments on that last goal is becuase i dont want those mistakes to take place again.
    remember the argentina-peru from last october? now this. like costas said it right after the match" would they do the same to argentines, or brazilians? " OFF COURSE not. since we dont have a good representation (FPF doenst exist at the international level) they are going to do the same over and over to peruvian teams.....


    so that was my whole point when bringing that up. u de chile is on the next stage, alianza isnt and i dont really care about alianza, but the peruvian football in general.
     
  21. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    hating an international team because they helped your rival once? what a FILTHY way of.... thinking?
     
  22. ROMERO879

    ROMERO879 Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    si si, pisco sour es peruano but anyways...

    like you said, u de chile played sub par, if a team like alianza can handle them in colo-colo's stadium, Flamengo will surely take care of business.

    yes they already played in the group stage, but as of now, one team barely beat alianza, while the other beat Corinthians.
     
  23. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    And if you watched both of those games, you would know that Corinthians didn't play up to their potential. Flamengo has been rather lucky to get this far, and made it out of the group stages because Catolica choked against the Venezuelan team. Knock out stage is a different story, but to say that Flamengo 'will take care of business' is simplifying the situation to its minimal expression.

    Besides, Fierro plays for them. They are deemed to fail. ;)

    Peruvian objectivity down the drain... :D
     
  24. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    You just proved my theory (now fact) that most Peruvians are "heated" simply because of the fact that Alianza lost to a Chilean team.

    Regarding your "pisco" comment: cheapshot. We could go down that road mentioning things like Arica for example. Or have you seen Peru in a WC?

    Or better yet, UdeCh. eliminating Alianza. :(

    :) ;)

    Saludos!
     
  25. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Same can be said about Flamengo "choking" against la U. They let a last min goal in Rio, which would have given them 2 extra pts, thus making qualification painless. Flamengo also hasn't played to their full potential. That's a general consensus among the experts in Brazil. Flamengo has a better team than what the results have shown. Corinthians had a weak group and was extremely overrated. They got swept by us last year and they were mediocre in the Paulista, where they faced tougher competition than their Libertadores group. Flamengo knew how to nullify their threats.

    Oh, and Maldonado plays for us, we are deemed to succeed. :p
     

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