CBA Thread IV: I Must Break You

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  1. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I gave Andy +1 just for trying so hard.

    There are some guys on here that don't really want to talk about facts or reality. They want to sling unclear accusations and make comments about how the league should change to appease them.

    Andy, Jason, and all of you who are trying to get those folks to make some sense, deserve some sort of the pat on the back for the effort, but alas it's just time-wasting.

    The truth is that the owners aren't going to give in on so-called "free agency" in their business and the players are going to have to decide how much that means to them and whether it's worth risking their employment or not.

    All the rest of this coulda, shoulda, woulda stuff is just mental masturbation on what Andy correctly called a "slow news day."
     
  2. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've never understood the argument that athletes deserve extra bucks because their career as an athlete is so short (and could be even shorter if there's an injury, etc.). Yes, their career as an athlete is likely to be short; but it's not like they'll never work again or earn another dollar in their lives once that career is over. Once a player's career is over, he'll move on to some other job, just like we all do.
     
  3. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    No. They are one injury away from a career change. And seeing as most of them should have their college degree (or saved enough money to get one after their done playing) I don't see where this is a problem. Should I take pity on them because of their chosen profession?
     
  4. jess3a3 redded

    jess3a3 redded Red Card

    Feb 12, 2010
    Here are the salary caps for 4 major leagues:

    LEAGUE SALARY CAPS:
    MLB No Cap - Highest Team Payroll- Yankees $208 Million
    NFL No Cap - Highest Team Payroll- Raiders $152 Million
    NBA $60 Million
    NHL $57 Million
    MLS $2.3 Million

    Garber is set to make $3 Million, which is more than the entire MLS salary cap. Should the NHL, NFL or MLB Commission be paid more than $57 Million, $152 Million , or $208 Million ?? Is it fair MLS teams pay less than 1/25th of NHL teams salaries? By the way the average team payroll in the NHL in 2008 was over $50 Million
     
  5. Tyneside4life

    Tyneside4life Member

    Jul 18, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's always coaching...
    [​IMG]
     
  6. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    The fallacy of course being that one has anything to do with the other. Garber is paid what he's paid so that MLS does not lose him to MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL or any other number of organizations and business with deep pockets that would like to hire a guy with Garber's resume.
     
  7. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For sake of clarity, I don't agree with this jess guy on anything (most of all his attitude) but isn't Garber's salary $1 million and a raise to $3 million would be 200%, not 50%?

    And why is the day before (potential) DOOMSDAY such a slow news day? Don't Wahl, Goff, Ives, et al. have any contacts to keep us the poor fans informed?
     
  8. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    It's either good news or it's bad news! :D
     
  9. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Hey, does anyone know what Don Garber is set to make this year? I've looked around, but I can't find it. I think it should be posted on every page of this thread in case I forget.
     
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  10. Tyneside4life

    Tyneside4life Member

    Jul 18, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    250 million, but I might be getting that number confused with something else.
     
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  11. Pack87Man

    Pack87Man BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 1, 2001
    Quad Cities
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Offhand, I'd say Donovan is the only other one who registers as a blip on the radar. He can't hold a candle to Beckham, but he has deals with Gatorade and Nike, and seems to be the go-to guy if they want an MLS based American.
     
  12. jess3a3 redded

    jess3a3 redded Red Card

    Feb 12, 2010
    The two sides arent even talking, and Mark Abbott said they will not be seeking a negotiation extension.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2010/02/mls_closer_to_strike.html#comments
    MLS closer to a strike?
    Labor talks did not go well Monday in Washington -- one source told me they ended in a downright nasty manner -- and the sides did not meet Tuesday, leaving just 48 hours to agree upon a new collective bargaining agreement.

    My understanding is that some teams have begun to vote whether to strike and that players are largely unified in their battle with management.
     
  13. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was from last night but thanks anyway.
     
  14. Tyneside4life

    Tyneside4life Member

    Jul 18, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Clearly you're not aware of Eddie Gaven.
     
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    And he got a big fat raise in the off-season.
     
  16. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone else think jess3a3 might be Mark Abbott letting off some steam after a long day of negotiations?
     
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  17. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Fine. Lets play by your rules. Garber was head of NFL International (not just NFL Europe) which was responsible for all of NFL's actions outside of Europe. So Garber left in 1999 and the European league folded in 2007 (8 years later) which was obviously his fault. However, the other international moves exploded in the 2000's. In that time frame international viewership went up, they played in front of over 100,000 people in Mexico for one game and the game in wembly in 2007 sold 40,000 tickets in 90 minutes. Pretty darn good for a foreign league that will never catch on. And seeing as how it was NFL International that was responsible for this (that thing that Garber was president of until 1999) it is obvious this was because of his leadership.
     
  18. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Too pro-player. I'm thinking Jimmy Conrad.
     
  19. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    does anyone know who Jess is?

    That profile just showed up this month and he is clearly rabble rousing about a strike and nothing else.

    I wonder if he is either
    one, some kind of friend/relative of a player or
    two, Don Garber himself trying to throw us off and have sympathy for his point of view by creating a ... uhhh, let's say "pest" ... on the other side.

    You can't fool me, Don.
     
  20. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Therein lies the genius.
     
  21. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dear god, not this shiat again...

    As for Garber's $3m, Knave hit the nail on the head. If any player was as valuable to the MLS as Garber is to the owners, then said player would compensated as such.

    This is a very young league and while I agree that the MLS has too much control over player movement, salaries and the cap will go up over time.

    You need to get over Garber, Beckham, and Red Bull Arena and find some new points to argue
     
  22. Pack87Man

    Pack87Man BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 1, 2001
    Quad Cities
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With good reason. That performance in the Confederations Cup probably earned him half of it.
     
  23. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A googolplex dollars!!!!1
     
  24. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I nominate Bootsy's post as CBA Thread V title
     
  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What, no love for my Star Wars reference? ;)
     

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