Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R] - Part I

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  1. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    FC Tokyo is the best placed to welcome Kagawa imo. Imagine Kagawa - Kajiyama - Hanyu - Ishikawa.
    Waouw.
     
  2. gandychan

    gandychan Member

    Sep 6, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    catania disappointing result as they draw with Napoli. They had most of the possession, but couldn't break through napoli's strong defense. Morimoto played the whole game so that means the coach at least has faith in him. He needs better service to be honest.

    matsui with grenoble playing against park joo young's monaco.
     
  3. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Poor Matsui, he's still technically gifted but his team is so poor and I fear he'll finish by losing his football ...
     
  4. goru_no_ura

    goru_no_ura Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 20, 2006
    Miyako of Zipang
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    He might return to Kyoto Sanga. The talk was up last time he visited, and he said that it is always a possibility. Plus Sanga needs wingers, and pays well (let alone the fact that Matsui is from Kyoto)
     
  5. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    I think he feels good, in terms of comfort, at Grenoble. He has many friends amongst his partners, is always joking with, he's struggling for the team. It's beautiful and touching to watch this bunch of losers fighting every week for their life on the pitch. Matsui will find another club for next year, but this is a good experience to live. Hope he'll stay in France.
     
  6. AmericanKaka

    AmericanKaka Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Matsui is from Kyushu, not Kyoto.
     
  7. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  8. goru_no_ura

    goru_no_ura Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 20, 2006
    Miyako of Zipang
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Heyheyhey... From Kyushu..?? Have you heard him talk???

    He went to school in Kagoshima, but he's a son of the Old Capital.
     
  9. AmericanKaka

    AmericanKaka Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    I did not know that.
    I watched him play in high school at Kajitsu (I think it was?) and so I assumed he was from there.
     
  10. Rhand

    Rhand Member

    Sep 27, 2009
    Mol, Belgium
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    The Grenoble-website also says he's from Kyoto.

    Funny fact, they actually made a Japanese version of their website.
     
  11. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Its probably because they are owned by a Japanese investment company.
     
  12. Bass0r

    Bass0r Member

    Jan 18, 2009
    Tokyo/N. Velidhoo
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Also to capatalise on the popular Japanese player in their squad... something that Wolfsburg and Bochum have both done, as well. And Celtic had a Japanese website until Shunsuke left, though it's now been replaced with Chinese for people wanting to read about Zheng Zhi's adventures... even though there might be a few Japanese people who'd still like to read the little amount of text written about Koki.
     
  13. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    They had a japanese version before Matsui ... And I guess it was not for Sho Ito since even the coach didn't know him :p.
     
  14. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    More reports are surfacing in Scotland that Celtic are chasing Yuto Nagatomo. A fee in the region of around £2mill is being reported. I'm sure this rumour is bound to make a few people happy on here but fear not, it is only a rumour at this minute in time.
     
  15. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Do you think that he would fit?

    I've been reading some Celtic boards and it seems like most fans are content with Fox.

    I think that Nagatomo could probably play on the wings. I don't think he's up to Maloney or McGeady standard yet though.
     
  16. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Fox isn't exactly blowing everyone away. The reason most people are reasonably happy with him is because just about anyone was going to be an upgrade on the previous incumbent of our LB position, Lee Naylor.



    As for Maloney and McGeady, neither are playing anywhere near consistently well. So much so that many think that a McGeady sale, while he still has a reasonably high market value, may not be such a bad thing for the club.


    But I don't know a lot regarding Nagatomo so I'm not sure if he'd fit well or not. The reports in Scotland are suggesting that Naka is pointing Celtic towards him and vice versa as he believes he'll fit in well at our club. But again, that's a rumour as I haven't seen any actual quotes from him on the situation.

    It's also a shame not to see Koki get any closer to the first team during a period in which we are playing without any consistency, either in attack or defense. I thought he had a chance to do well at Celtic but he isn't being given the opportunity so I hope something gets sorted out for him in January, unless Mr Mowbray decides to incorporate him between now and then in the first team.
     
  17. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Nagatomo wouldn't fit in at Celtic or anywhere in the SPL and it's the last thing I want from his career. Young talented players should never to to big championship contending sides so early in a career. Particularly from asia. The battle to become a regular is tougher and the pressure on the player is huge.

    Speaking of Celtic, it's hilarious on PES 2010 that Koki Mizuno is the best midfielder in their team according to pes.


    Also, saw highlights from Morimoto's game with Napoli....... He had great movement but his finishing...... oh dear. it was absolutely atrocious and he missed two golden 1v1 opportunities to score. the game ended 0-0.
     
  18. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    I don't agree with that statement. There are plenty of World class players who have started their careers at big clubs.

    Messi, Ronaldo, Raul, Iker Casillas, Fabregas, Ashley Cole, David Silva, Mario Ballotelli, Alexandre Pato. Just to name a few.

    It really depends on a player's drive to succeed and work hard. Players who aren't willing to do these things will never succeed no matter what club they play for.
     
  19. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Partly agreeing to both your opinions. I think there is another parameter though, which is the system played and ultimately the role of the head coach in capturing one's service versus the role of a club's marketing director. I haven't decided yet for Nagatomo's case, but - as an actual starter at the NT with a view to attract other club's scouts - I think he can go no wrong waiting until after the WC.
     
  20. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Except none of those players came from Asia, or even Africa.
    It's like the difference between men and women in the workplace 20 years ago. The man was sure to be given plenty of chances, early and often, to prove himself. The woman had to hit it off from the start and never let up. It's the same with Asian players in Europe -- they will not be given any benefit of doubt.
    That's why they work best going to clubs in relegation battles where they really have no option but to play their best players and match winners immediately and as often as possible. From there the player can make a name for himself in an established European league.

    It's a model that's worked for Naka, Matsui, Honda, Morimoto.
    Of all the players that have went to big clubs straight off -- Ono and Nakata are the only ones that didn't have a large setback. And Nakata only did it before the shirt-selling bs started.

    I would prefer to not see Nagatomo at Celtic. I think Mowbray is looking for a 3rd fullback to fill the void between 1st team and reserves and give him options. Nagatomo would definitely slot right into that kind of role, but at what cost to his own career?
    It also smacks as a market move to me. How many Japan NT players can meet the 75% rule? Very few. Kengo and Endo would be the other candidates, and I don't think they'd fit SPL at all.
    Celtic doesn't give many chances to players that come in without already having a big reputation or being from British Isles. Why should we think it'll be different for Nagatomo than it was for Mizuno? (who led the reserves in assists and got just 2 chances to prove himself, one of which he scored and the other a win at Ibrox.)
    Celtic need to take 3 points out of every league game. That doesn't leave any room to experiment on what the manager will see as an "unknown" player coming from what they perceive to be a lesser league.
     
  21. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    I understand how you're thinking. It is more difficult for an asian player to succeed. And they don't get recognized the same way as players from other parts of the world does.

    For instance, a japanese player has to do alot more than a brazilian player to get recognition. If Nakamura plays in the same game as Ronaldo, and Ronaldo scores 2 goals and Naka doing exactly the same, who do you think media will cum in their pants for? Not Naka. And the same thing when the players have a bad game, for instance in Manchester United, Park can't have a bad game before everyone starts mocking him out saying he sucks. But other players can. It's sad really.
     
  22. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Never said that they did.

    I don't want to risk him getting injured before the World Cup, but after the World Cup I really don't care where he goes aslong as its somewhere in Europe.

    I think that the mentality that young Asian players cannot succeed at top clubs is really a myth.

    First of all judging the success of Asian players by looking at the few that have started at big clubs is a joke. There are a few who have played at big clubs, but they did not actually begin their professional careers at them. Inamoto and Dong Fanzhou both played professionally at Gamba and Dalian Saidelong before they transferred to big clubs.

    The problem is that there haven't been any Asian players who have started their careers at big clubs so there really is no basis for this argument. The only two young Asian players that I can think of are Shohei Matsunaga (Schalke youth) and that Korean kid at Ajax.

    There is not enough conclusive evidence to assume this simply because there haven't been any Asian players who have started their careers at big clubs.
     
  23. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    I think you're confusing the ideas of "moving to Europe" and "starting professional career".
    I'm talking strictly about the former, as would be the case with Nagatomo.

    I think they can succeed at top clubs, I just think the cards are stacked against them if they go there straight from JLeague because they will not be given the opportunity to prove themselves.
     
  24. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: Japanese Abroad 2009/10 [R]

    Well I was kinda responding to Akitod's comment that young players shouldn't start their careers at big clubs so I guess I got messed up.
     
  25. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan

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