Copa Libertadores 2009 [R]

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by JAIME CHILE, Nov 2, 2008.

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  1. Arango82

    Arango82 Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    Venezuela
    Club:
    Caracas FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Olimpia and Nacional de Uruguay say hi.
     
  2. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yes but you don't have to go to south of Puno, there are closer alt cities.
     
  3. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I had a good laugh after seeing this.
     
  4. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    though decision about that ranking

    i wouldnt give an specific order, but i wouldnt include river, velez or palmeiras....

    i would put instead nacional, olimpia, even america de cali!!!!!, and probablt colo colo because of their one title, and the number of times they have make it to the libertadores

    not sure about estudiantes, they obtained 3 titles, but.... what happened after that?
     
  5. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    Not include River? Were you born this decade, or did you see any of the team's glorious history? It isn't a coincidence that FIFA chose River as the 8th best team of the 20th Century, and the best from South America (or non-European) team in the world. It is true that this decade hasn't been the brightest, but the team's history covers up the last few years. The 33 Argentine tournaments, the Copa Libertadores' (won it twice and are currently the Argentine team to have won the most Libertadores games), the three tri-campeonatos (Boca, for example, never won a single one), the talent-making machine (who gave you the Mascherano's, the Ayala's, the D'Alessandro's, the Aimar's, the Saviola's, the Ramon Diaz's, the Alonso's, etc.?... the list goes on for ever), "La Maquina" team before the Libertadores even existed.

    I think there's no question about River being one of the best South American clubs historically, let alone in the top 10.
     
  6. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    you said it la maquina before the copa libertadores existed
    33 national championships


    im talking about teams and their participacion in libertadores....
     
  7. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    But Futjol's list wasn't about teams participation in Libertadores. It was what he considered "history's best teams of Latin America". But even if it was the top 10 of the Libertadores, River is still in the top 10 to have won it the most times. And you mentioned you'd include America de Cali. Umm, how many times have they won the Libertadores? I'll give you a clue, it's the same amount of times any team from your country has won it. :D

    So where's your logic? Are you sure it isn't just because you support Boca that you're saying this?
     
  8. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    ohhhhhhhh im talking about libertadores, not overall


    america de casli have acceded the final 3 times, and they have done preetty good in other editions..
     
  9. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah, so? River have been to the finals 4 times, winning it twice (coincidently beating America de Cali both times ;)).
     
  10. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    His list is biased towards those teams who have done well and won in the CL. Why else would Independiente be so high?
     
  11. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah, I understand that he was taking the Copa Libertadores into account when creating the rankings, but my point is that that wasn't solely what he was basing it on. He was basing it on history, meaning International & local tournaments alike.
     
  12. Futjol

    Futjol New Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Se me paso Estudiantes de la Plata, y tambien Olimpia pero bueno.
    America de Cali? Que tendria que hacer America de Cali en esa lista? Nada.
    A Colo Colo lo pondria mas abajo, Colo Colo solo ha ganado internacionalmente la Copa Libertadores.

    Los equipos que puse han ganado Intercopas, Copa Libertadores, y entre otras copas.

    Flamengo: Esta por ahi, pero no para ser uno de los mejores.
     
  13. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Colo-Colo has three international titles. ;)
     
  14. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    You have other Peruvian cities with over 3,000 meters of elevation that are a lot closer to Lima.
     
  15. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Cual es la Intercopa?:confused:
    Te refieres quizas a la Interamericana o a la Recopa?
     
  16. Futjol

    Futjol New Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Me refiria a la InterContinental, =)

    Sip, tienes razon Colo Colo tiene tres copas, pero...
    Copa InterAmericana, es una copa que no tiene peso.
    La Recopa, como que nadie le da mucha bola.


    De todas maneras son copas, pero lo hacia segun el peso de las copas.

    Lo de la altura o distancia lo dije, porque comentaron que la distancia entre Santiago y Calama, seria mucho mas kilometros de distancia que cualquier ciudad de altura con Lima.
     
  17. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Flamengo = 5 time Brazilian champ, 2nd to Sao Paulo who has 6. One Libertadores, one Mundial and one Mercosul. Definitely top 10.
     
  18. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Other Brazilian teams that you mentioned:

    Cruzeiro: 1 Brazilian title, 2 Libertadores.
    Santos: 2 Brazilian titles, 2 Libertadores and Mundials.
    Palmeiras: 4 Brazilian titles, 1 Libertadores, 1 Mercosul.
    Gremio: 2 Brazilian titles, 2 Libertadores, 1 Mundial

    I accept SPFC and maybe Santos.
     
  19. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Para mi digamos que balanceando el peso de la actualidad y de la historia, los clubes mas grandes de Suramerica son:

    1. Boca, de lejos el que mejores resultados ha obtenido en esta decada.
    2. Sao Paolo, el unico que se les acerca en titulos y en memoria reciente.

    Big Gap

    3. Independiente
    4. Penarol
    5. Olimpia
    6. Nacional (Uru)

    Estos 4 su historia les alcanza para figurar, siendo el de mas reciente figuracion Olimpia (2002)

    7. River. Tiene historia en Argentina, dos libertadores, una intercontinental, pero ultimamente siempre queda debiendo en Libertadores.
    8. Santos, gracias a Pele y una buena actuacion reciente (2003).
    9. Colo Colo, su copa, su historia en Chile y que es "the best of the rest".
    10. Varios candidatos: Cruzeiro, Gremio, Flamengo, todos por ser equipos con historia local y haber ganado una o dos libertadores mas la intercontinental. Que entre yeiyei y escoja.
     
  20. Futjol

    Futjol New Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Flamengo, pero yo no cuento Brazilian Titles, como voy a contar algo que desconozco.

    Yo no cuento titulos por paises porque sino ahi estaria Racing.
     
  21. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Internacional de Porto alegre se me quedo por fuera de la lista y lo pondria con este grupo en el numero 10, dandole incluso algo de preferencia por lo reciente de su triunfo.
     
  22. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    im just referring to COPA LIBERTADORES

    i think boca is the best team, they did good in the lat 70's, had some participations in the 60's and 80's, did good at the end of the 90's, and on the beginning of this new decada

    the second place? i really would put sao paolo, even though their success is recently

    then third place? independiente, penarol, nacional

    fourth? olimpia,colo colo, cruzeiro america de cali

    fifht? flamengo, vasco, inter, gremio, estudiantes, river, santos,
     
  23. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    But you counted Palmeiras and Cruzeiro, both who haven't won their Intercontinental games.

    You have pretty much simplified "history" into winners and runners-up of the CL and ranked them in order of who won them the most. History has other factors.
     
  24. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    SPFC won twice in the early 90s, so it isn't just recent.
     
  25. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Theres clubs who have a better performance than other clubs who have more titles. Like how many points they get, teams they beat etc.
     

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