Solo/Ryan catch-all thread part 1

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  1. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Re: it only gets crazier, new vids on espn about Hope

    Can some of these threads be merged? The same quotes and statements are being discussed in quite a few. Ryan said what he had to say. Soccer fans might not like his statements, but he said what he had to say from a PR standpoint. Obviously, the team is on the brink of falling apart and Solo continues to make the situation tougher for Ryan to keep the team together. There are a lot of problems with the USWNT. Goalie was the least of them. Ryan created the scape goat before the Brazil game. The media picked it up and ran while Solo went Brandi Chastain on Ryan. Solo had no reason to be happy about the move, but she is a professional and an adult. Her demeanor before, during and after the game didn't help the team. Maybe Solo didn't intend to bring Scurry down with her comments, but she did. I hate defending Ryan at all in through all of this mess, but Solo is helping nobody unless she is looking for a career outside of soccer in a few weeks.
    Foudy hasn't been speaking up during the World Cup. She has said a few things over the past few months, but for the most part says everything is good. She barely has any more credibility than Chastain.
     
  2. Slater

    Slater New Member

    Re: US WNT blog in censor mode


    Hmm. I would definetly agree with you on the blog. As far as the image gallery that might just be getting crashed because the overload of requests for her image. They are definetly trying to make it look like nothing happened and everything is right with the world.
     
  3. sregis

    sregis Member

    Nov 5, 1999
    Hoboken, USA
    Re: it only gets crazier, new vids on espn about Hope

    that she hasn't been your personal mouthpiece? she's been very outspoken and evenhanded on a variety of issues since the nk game, imo.
     
  4. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Ryan basically trashes Hope today

    the man is simply in way over his head.

    this is indeed an example where radical and extreme action (i.e., firing his ass) taken in the heat of the moment - like much of the rest of the world would do -is not only appropriate, not only warranted, but demanded, for coaching & leadership like this. the fact he wasn't fired moments after the Brazilian game, shows how much "the cradle of women's soccer" has to learn (or relearn) about the game.

    boy, i feel bad for the players on this team. world cups don't come around that often....
     
  5. Albirrojo

    Albirrojo Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Re: Ryan basically trashes Hope today

    Then we've got Christine Lilly who is 37, maybe it should not be an age issue. Dino Zoff captained Italy in their World Cup Championship in 1982.

    Scurry is 36, Jens Lehmann the German goalkeeper is about 35 himself.

    Is that the list of qualifiers or the thought put into that post.
     
  6. Bucks Gunner

    Bucks Gunner Member

    Apr 13, 2005
    Pennsylvania
    Re: Style of Play = U.S. Outcome?

    I understand your point.

    When I watched the game yesterday I was suprised with how little confidence the backs and midfielders had when over the ball. IMO, wwaaayy too many aimless kicks just to clear the area for the supposed No. 1 team in the world.

    Personally, I hate Route 1 ball; it's a one-trick pony. If it isn't working, you can't go to a possession game. A possession team can always play more direct.

    I would expect a team of this caliber to be able to possess the ball and impose their will on the game. Alas, none of that happenned.
     
  7. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    Re: Who wins the spin?

    Well, I don't know for sure, but she is definitely making a case.

    "The first red flag was that Solo immediately pointed out she "would have made those saves." Translation: It's all about me."

    Well, if Solo couldn't make those saves, then how did Ryan torpedo the United States' bid for a third World Cup? If Solo could make those saves, would it still be all about her? Or would US players and fans be celebrating a trip to the final?

    Solo said "And the fact of the matter is, it's not 2004 anymore. … It's 2007, and I think you have to live in the present."

    Well, even if Hill believes Scurry and Solo are roughly equivalent keepers when both primed and ready, Hill apparently believes that in 2007 Scurry was not ready (despite being the #2 GK on the team and despite all of her experience). Why else would she say Ryan "ruined Scurry's legacy". Unless Solo is right, she should have been able to step up to the plate. Hill obviously doesn't think Scurry should have been expected to step up to the plate so logically she should be in total agreement with Solo. Perhaps she is thinking with her heart.

    Ryan said "Starting Scurry -- who hadn't logged a single minute of playing time in China -- over Solo -- who hadn't given up a goal in 300 minutes -- was a mind-numbingly bad decision."

    Isn't that what exactly Solo said (although she tactfully omitted the word "mind-numbingly").

    And since when does not playing a minute in a World Cup make you rusty? None of the WC participants had played a single minute before the first kick-off. Was Germany "rusty" when they played Argentina?

    Either Scurry is as good or better keeper as Solo would have been in this situation and Solo is wrong, or Solo is clearly better and Ryan is wrong. Ryan and Solo can't both be wrong.
     
  8. sregis

    sregis Member

    Nov 5, 1999
    Hoboken, USA
    Re: Chastain, Foudy & Mia pissed is anyone listening?

    and maybe, just maybe, they come from knowledge and insight. for what it's worth, she was in the majority re april, and certainly most would agree in the right on ryan.
     
  9. ironduke2010

    ironduke2010 Member

    Mar 18, 2005
    A2, MI USA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hope Issues Statement

    bah. bs is in full implosion mode. just be glad there aren't more sub-forums outta control over this.
     
  10. garnetgold67

    garnetgold67 Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Re: Style of Play = U.S. Outcome?

    ...and the fastest player on our team during the game, Boxx, was yellow carded for out running Christiane!
     
  11. Charge!

    Charge! Member

    May 7, 2001
    BSG 75
    Solo/Ryan catch-all thread

    I'm going to merge all the Solo/Ryan threads into this one super-thread. Please post any comments in this one. :)
     
  12. sregis

    sregis Member

    Nov 5, 1999
    Hoboken, USA
    Re: Hope Goes Balistic at News Conference

    hope was out of control and has now crawled back w/ a semi-apology. someone had to try to protect her from herself. i'm sure she's apologized to hefitz too by now.
     
  13. Slater

    Slater New Member

    Re: Ryan basically trashes Hope today


    I will play Devil's Advocate and say the age group is getting younger and younger. The focus for many clubs is on grabbing up the talented younder players. I would say prime is between 23 - 28. It is an age issue. It is like any other job. Things are not the same they were 5 or even 10 years ago. In order to keep up with the competition sometimes you need to go with age (fresh new ideas) over experience. Experience is helpful, but it is not everything. Dr. Stephen Covey said it best, "Change is the only constant."
     
  14. silentbob

    silentbob Member

    Aug 17, 2003
    Maryland
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: Hope Issues Statement

    BS would implode only if Giuseppe Rossi decided to play for the USMNT, Freddy Adu scored the game-winning goal in the Champions League final, or Landycakes left his wife for a water fountain.
     
  15. Craig P

    Craig P BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 26, 1999
    Eastern MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hope Issues Statement

    I don't entirely agree with that -- I think she should have admitted to speaking carelessly in the heat of emotion (because that's what led her to denigrate Scurry in taking shots at Ryan), and left out the parts about her words being taken out of context. Other than that, it's excellent.
     
  16. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Re: Ryan basically trashes Hope today

    I hate defending Ryan, but there is little wrong with what he says while addressing the media this time(some of which is on Goff's blog). I must have missed the part where he trashes Hope...:rolleyes: Soccer fans may not like the little that he said, but what did you really expect? He is the leader of a team. He wants to keep the team together and make sure there is something left for the last game. He is not trying to throw them all under the bus. Solo may not have intentionally put Scurry down when she came out against Ryan, but she did. Solo did intend to be negative regarding the coach. Professional athletes should always act professional. Ryan tried to take the high road though the situation for the press. How many coaches would let a player start after a player came out as negative against them? What is he going to say about Scurry? She didn't perform. Scurry was the least of the problems and there is no way of knowing how Solo would have performed or if Ryan was wrong for benching her. Scurry did not lose the game.
    Ryan speaks of the future of US Soccer and while I don't agree with all points he is actually speaking about soccer...

    This is BigSoccer. We are soccer fans. Can we debate the real problems with the team? Changing the goalie may have been another coaching mistake by Ryan, but we should be the group discussing it as that(another coaching mistake). Let's not let the attention surrounding Solo's comments and the new media attention get us off track. There are a lot of problems with this team. Coaching is one of the problems, but the goalie change is not the biggest mistake Ryan has made. Even Ryan speaks of where the game is going in his remarks...
     
  17. Slater

    Slater New Member

    Re: Hope Issues Statement


    Would you leave Ms. Vicky?
     
  18. seanT

    seanT Member

    Feb 15, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Re: Chastain, Foudy & Mia pissed is anyone listening?

    c'mon folks using retired greats to bash the current coach is so standard its almost a cliche.

    Foudy is getting paid to express an opinion, Chastain was asked and responded.

    When the England mens team goes crashing out of tournaments every former player and manager is obligated to take a shot at the current manager.
     
  19. ironduke2010

    ironduke2010 Member

    Mar 18, 2005
    A2, MI USA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hope Issues Statement

    well yeah, but for these parts, this is as "full implosion" as it gets. shoulda said, "wwc sub-forums are in full implosion mode".

    (i think landycakes never left the waterfountain....)
     
  20. sregis

    sregis Member

    Nov 5, 1999
    Hoboken, USA
    Re: Ryan basically trashes Hope today

    you're right, and those threads are popping up. or you can start a new one?
     
  21. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    Re: Solo/Ryan catch-all thread

    why wouldn't the mods close the other threads and open a new thread from scratch? This is a HUGE mess. I was caught up on some of the threads and hadn't read any of some other threads. Now, I have no idea which posts I've read and which I have not.
     
  22. silentbob

    silentbob Member

    Aug 17, 2003
    Maryland
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: Chastain, Foudy & Mia pissed is anyone listening?

    It's easy to say that in hindsight. I agree with those who think now that he should resign or be fired, but my recollection is that very few people on this board criticized his hiring back in 2005. I think we were simply happy that Heinrichs was gone.
     
  23. nancella11

    nancella11 New Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    Re: Solo/Ryan catch-all thread

    Ditto. Huge mess here. Way to kill a discussion.
     
  24. mdelrossi1

    mdelrossi1 Member

    Jul 29, 2005
    Center City Philly
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Solo/Ryan catch-all thread

    you mean you cant read through 900 replies?
     
  25. defensewins

    defensewins Member

    Nov 15, 1999
    Re: Hope Goes Balistic at News Conference

    Oh feel free to disagree-to me, what Hope did was a long time coming. She is going to bear the fruits of her comments and I have to believe that she knew full well that there would be consequences. That she was prepared to live with them is gutsy. If only more of the team would have spoken out after the April debacle, maybe some of this could have been avoided. Foudy's current comments are a little late for my taste. I know Chastain futilely tried get Ape fired, and so she gets more credit, but Foudy toed the line while Ape was coach. It’s a little late Jules. The inherent problem we are missing, and no offense, especially you with your “don’t fire Ryan” comments, is that something is, and has been terribly wrong at USSoccer for quite some time. With the resources we have given to us, we are content wallow in mediocre coaching hires. The chickens have finally come home to roost in a devastatingly obvious way.
     

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