Dark Knight Please Explain

Discussion in 'Customer Service' started by Dirt McGirt, Mar 31, 2007.

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  1. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Uh, Jay ... it's a fan forum. The New York Times has a whole 'nother URL.

    It is interesting, however, that most of these problems are with EPL and NUFC in particular. There's at least two dozen US players at various clubs that get game threads - from Sweden to Italy. Aside from the "is he a YA or isn't he" it seems the NUFC are the only ones to get their knickers so knotted.

    We don't have that problem at Fulham. Not even much at Everton. Gooch didn't have that issue much at SL - although a few folks got into with that Belgian kid who was posting. Bease doesn't have that issue at Man City (it was worse at PSV actually). Spector a bit a West Ham. Lewis - nope. Convey - not anymore. Marcus - nope. Bradley - H'veen? Benny - HSV? Davies - Hammarby (about a million page thread with a trillion hits and very few if any issues.)

    So, yeah, it must be a YA problem and not an NUFC/Brit trolling issue.
     
  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    JayPro...please find my fanboy posts.

    I think you're making a fundamental mistake. I'm *NOT* saying Gooch is great. I'm saying NUFC fans suck. In your mind, it's a zero sum game, wherein you can love Gooch or you can love NUFC. But what if I think Gooch is promising but suspected he was somewhat overrated BEFORE this deal, and now believe I was right about him being overrated, at least in the bigsoccer consensus. Meanwhile, I think NUFC fans are, well, I live in Raleigh. We have a similar phenomenon here. They're called NC State fans. By nature, ALL sports fans are delusional, but some teams, for a variety of reasons, attract more fans with grander delusions. NC State is one such team. A team that would count on Michael Sicknote is another.

    I fully admit to posting many times that you and your brethren were jackasses. I like to think I did a very good job of making the point clearly and concisely. I think I've been able to hit my target consistently, cuz you're lashing out at me. Which makes me smile.

    But back on point...find my fanboy posts.

    OK, if you search for posts by me about Friedel, you've got me. He was world class 5-6 years ago, then merely good, and now he's great. I don't know if that makes me a fan or a fanboy. Your call.

    I think Boca shoulda been playing alot more last year, but that was more due to Knight sucking so bad. Plus a little thing I like to call objective information...FFC's defensive record showed Boca to be their best central defender. This year, you can find a bunch of posts by me saying that Knight's been pretty good, and not too many, if any, saying Boca had to be starting.

    I've called Demerit a marginal Prem defender. I wasn't too popular for that, either.

    McBride I think is an excellent complementary forward, for any team outside the Big Four. I think if Everton got him, and paired him with Johnson, and had Arteta feeding them, they'd be better so long as McBride doesn't suddenly age. Is that delusional? You make the call.

    Howard? When ManU were shopping around for a replacement, I know I posted a bunch that the notion that what ManU needed to do was to spend 8 figures (pounds) to replace him with Casillas or Buffon was stupid given their defensive and offensive records. (That darned objective information again.) I got at least one ManU fan to hilariously blame Howard for their lack of goals. But when they got EVDS relatively cheaply, I know I wrote, OK, that's a good move for them. I recall getting into a tiff with an Everton supporter (sarabella maybe) who thought Howard would have to win the job from the incumbent. I pointed out that it had to be the other way around, cuz no way in hell Everton were going to spend that kind of money for a guy they expected to be their backup. I was right, she was wrong. (The retirement helped. :) )

    Hahnemann? Early on, I was saying he was spilling the ball too much, and hoped he was just adjusting to the Prem. Since then, I haven't really commented on him much. He's an average Prem keeper, doesn't hurt the team, but nothing special either.

    I *know* I've never gushed over Beasley. Somewhat the opposite in fact.

    I've covered most of the Yanks in the Prem. So go ahead. Find the posts.

    Or shut your goddamn stupid mouth.
     
  3. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the record I've taken exactly 15 seconds to scan both post in response to my truthful assertion that YA is nothing more that infotainment. Yes it's a fan site Friesland that's problem in a nutshell no actual news and analysis.

    Superdave your post took 5 of the alloted 15 seconds of my time but any research that needs to be done can be done on your dime not mine. Prove me wrong I'm the one calling you out as an ignorant fanboy. Tell me everything you know about Newcastle United's performance in 2006/2007with a game by game breakdown and how that relates to Toon supporters view of Gooch's performances to date.
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your fundamental error here is defining fanboy as someone who doesn't give a shit about a club that some Yank got loaned to for half the season.

    YOU are the one who compared me to some a-hole on my own ignore list. YOU are the one who made the positive assertion. I gave my take on most of the Yanks in the Prem.

    I'll say this about NUFC. They signed Michael Sicknote, and when they did, I laughed a little laugh. Cuz to me, that summed up the club perfectly. They're the NC State of England.

    Again, find my fanboy posts, or stop calling me a fanboy.

    I'll continue to call you a jackass, because I've found your jackass posts.
     
  5. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I bet you weren't even a Blackburn fan until they signed Friedal. I bet you wouldn't be a DC supporter if they hadn't won any titles. Your a fanboy and a forum bully with the defacto support of DK and the more you post the more you prove my point. So at this point it would be in your best interests to quit while your ahead and go back to YA.
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I win.
     
  7. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very Bill O'Reilly esque of you.(Once again you illustrate my point) Well done my faithful sock puppet. Now dance bitch dance!
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Um, you're the one who is a lying piece of shit. You're the one who can't back up his assertions. That would make YOU Bill O'Reilly.
     
  9. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
  10. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Didn't we happily agree that Yanks Abroad wasn't your cup of tea? Just wondering why we're still in Groundhog day mode.

    Speaking of cup of tea, reading your sig sort of reminds me how oftentimes, being a soccer fan and a Yank causes different and interesting reactions in some people. Some posters go to one extreme and develop a chip on their shoulder and struggle with criticisms of Yanks and view Yanks being benched as a grand conspiracy, while others seem to head another direction and try to distance themselves from "clueless" Yanks and find more comfort in hanging around with like-minded Yanks and expats. I think your earlier assumption that all YA posters need to toe the MLS line speaks to some of this tension.

    Perhaps this phenomenon is in part born on the back of the fans of a nation that co-opted our language who are faced with the ever limited likelihood of present and future glory and are forced to suckle off the withered and desiccated teet of 100 years of "history", fading memories of world dominance, and the immediate sugar rush of trying to keep uppity 2nd tier nation's fans from deluding themselves with thoughts of scaling the mountain. It's like that high school bully who in his wildest dreams can only envision a future of GEDs, safety belts, rolling pins, and plumber butt and who takes out his frustration on that nerdy curly head kid whose future is filled with unlimited potential and is already switching into the fast lane to blow past the bully on the highway of soccer success. At times it seems the nerd's only chance at surviving fandom in the present is to find a harley riding tough guy for hire. But I digress.

    Sorry, what were we talking about?
     
  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me guess Ya Rly! :p

    Thanks for the neg rep. I'm touched you care so much. Look I'd live you alone if you stop posting so much crap. I won't even call you fanboy(I heart Friedal) or Glory Hunter(DC United by way of NC) anymore. Deal?
     
  13. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very nice indeed. I'm touched that you put all those words together in my honor. It's still doesn't change the fact that YA is a fanboy infotainment forum.

    If you want to know how I became a supporter of Newcastle United and whyI don't have six other teams in my profile just ask me?
     
  14. white riot

    white riot Member+

    England
    Apr 27, 2005
    Southampton, England
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What's all that supposed to mean? I assume it's some sort of bizarre sideways dig at the English. Co-opted your language, what are you going on about?

    Is that supposed to refer to the USMNT Sidewinders, are you mad, they're crap and so is Gooch, and everybody who said he was crap before he went to Newcastle has now been proved right, now he'll have to go back to Belgium, if they'll have him, and all the Yanks Abroad mongs will go back to telling each other he's worth £30mill and he's gonna sign for Real Madrid or at least Chelsea because his chuffing agent said. The Yanks abroad lot live in a dream world and they're all on drugs, but it shouldn't change, it's good like that.
     
  15. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Glad you agree. The problem arises like clockwork when there is a disconnect between the perception of the player in question's abilities by Yank posters and others - often the player's club's fans. Cue the discussions a few years ago with Steve Coppell being perceived as pretty much the devil for his supposedly biased treatment of Convey. Or the discussions on Timmy T's "scapegoating" at Man Utd when his goalkeeping was leaving just a little to be desired. And sure you don't have problems with Everton fans now, 'cos those that did post have simply been driven away by abuse and biased moderating early this season.
     
  16. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Perhaps all the Onyewu nonsense on BS will have been worth it if indeed the Premiership is spared this donkey?
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll answer your questions when you either find my fanboy posts, or admit you're full of shit.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Much like Archer's crew and P&CE, the Everton fan that people were having a problem with left when she was proven wrong and we were proven right.
     
  19. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    No, the problem is you've gone to a Jackie Chan film hoping to find the Buddah. But you don't really want to find the right site, you want to bitch. So bitch you will. But a least admit you like to bitch.
     
  20. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    M - first time caller, long time listener - someone mentioned earlier about your history on rec.sports.soccer. Can you discuss that topic, including how you were viewed and your own view of the people there? I'll hang up and listen to your response. Thanks.
     
  21. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    M. You and Jaypro like to complain. It's fine. The world needs complainers. You're good at it. Keep on keeping on!

    But yet, YA survives. How does it manage without yours and the NUFC faithful's scintilating news and analysis?

    God, you are funny. You really are becoming a kind of Jri-esque parody of your former self. You really were a much better poster "back in the day."

    It's like watching Herzog at the Depot. Sad really.
     
  22. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Lol, nice revisionsism. She posted a lot in pre-season and early in the season and then effectively was chased away by the factors I mentioned previously. She then briefly returned to defend that article she wrote about Howard. But y that time her regular YA posting days were long over.
     
  23. Prawn Sandwich

    Oct 1, 2003
    Bhutan
    Oi! Don't drag me into this 7th circle of hell ;)
     
  24. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Interesting that you continue to choose to attack the messengers rather than refute their arguments... oh well.

    Yes,, YA survives, but as I've pointed out before, with competent moderation it could tolerate a much wider range of inputs and be a far better forum than it is.
     
  25. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A message to the friends of YA. I've already conceded that YA is a fan site and thus not a good source for things I'm interested like news and analysis. So I don't post there anymore. There's a reason I don't compete in the Special Olympics and it's the same reason I don't post in YA. Relax who cares what I think anyway? YA is for the new soccer fan to talk about a sport they're unfamiliar with and to root for American players in the absence of more sophisticated and older soccer supporters. It's a lounge for the novices and I'm ok with that so please refrain from the personal attacks as will I and if you really want to know about formations, tactics, and other more advanced topics send me a PM. No hard feelings ok?

    Thanks and have a good day:)
     

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