[Scott Zawadzki]

First half of Revs/Fire match, Rev's keeper Aiden Brown is at the edge of his area looking to distribute the ball. Hristo Stoichov (sp??) is standing in front of him and moving with him when Brown moves to his left. Brown finds an area to distribute the ball to but unknowingly steps a full 2 yards out of the penaly area in doing so. Stoichov waves his hand to point out the infraction which the referee whistles. The restart was taken 2 yards outside the penalty area.

My question: Why wasn't the restart JUST outside the PA which is where the infraction took place. If Brown had run 20 yards upfield, would the restart have taken place there???

Scott

[Kermmy803]

I had a similar situation to what you saw this weekend in a youth game.

IFK in PA for obstruction. Keeper makes a great save on the set play and collects the ball. Immediately heads to the top of the area to clear the ball. My position at the start of the play was on the goalline to monitor the area around the GK. As the keeper heads to the top of the area, I am running with him about five yards away.

When the keeper went to punt the ball, he was clearly in possesion of the ball outside the PA. His plant foot for the clear was about a yard or so clear of the PA. I immediately blew the whistle for the infraction and restarted with the ball just outside of the PA (ball just clear of the line marking the PA). I restarted here due to the fact that the infraction happens as soon as the keeper is in possesion (with hands) of the ball outside of the area.

Just my two cents.

Lane

[deep-throat]

Originally posted by Scott Zawadzki
First half of Revs/Fire match, Rev's keeper Aiden Brown is at the edge of his area looking to distribute the ball. Hristo Stoichov (sp??) is standing in front of him and moving with him when Brown moves to his left. Brown finds an area to distribute the ball to but unknowingly steps a full 2 yards out of the penaly area in doing so. Stoichov waves his hand to point out the infraction which the referee whistles. The restart was taken 2 yards outside the penalty area.

My question: Why wasn't the restart JUST outside the PA which is where the infraction took place. If Brown had run 20 yards upfield, would the restart have taken place there???

Scott

I think you are "nit-picking" a little here for no reason - does it really make that much difference?

In any case, if you recall there was an altercation immediately after it - Joey Franchino said at halftime that Stoichkov bounced the ball off his face, presumably the reason for the caution. After all that got sorted out, and the Ref chewed Stoichkov's ear off, they (the Fire) seemed to just place the ball and the ref accepted it - I'm sure he probably thought if Stiochkov wanted to pull it back a yard or so after being such an idiot, what's the purpose in getting so fussy? He's not gaining anything, and no body else is concerned about it - get the game restarted.

[Scott Zawadzki]

Originally posted by deep-throat


I think you are "nit-picking" a little here for no reason - does it really make that much difference?

In any case, if you recall there was an altercation immediately after it - Joey Franchino said at halftime that Stoichkov bounced the ball off his face, presumably the reason for the caution. After all that got sorted out, and the Ref chewed Stoichkov's ear off, they (the Fire) seemed to just place the ball and the ref accepted it - I'm sure he probably thought if Stiochkov wanted to pull it back a yard or so after being such an idiot, what's the purpose in getting so fussy? He's not gaining anything, and no body else is concerned about it - get the game restarted.

I don't think that when the ball is THAT CLOSE TO GOAL that I'm being nit-picky about where the restart should be. If the ball was going out of the defensive end, I don't think that a couple of yards or more is any big deal. On the other hand, when the attack has a shot at goal, the couple of yards does indeed make a difference IMHO. In fact, when that close to goal, it can at times be to the attacking team's advantage to play the ball back a little to give extra distance behind the wall for the ball to dip!

For you to say that the difference between an 18 yard and a 20 yard free kick is nit-picking seems a bit odd to me.

Where should the restart have taken place??

Scott

[billf]

It looked like Hristo placed the ball on that spot after the melee. It's possible that he pulled it back a little to give himself a little more room to bend or swerve the ball. I'm just grasping at straws here seeing as the ball was just blasted on goal, but for a player like that, I don't think 2 yards makes much difference.

If Corrie ordered the ball to be placed there, maybe he did that help him set the wall. There are grid lines there, so he might have cheated to make sure there were 10 yards. At region I Kevin Stott showed a clip of one of his games where he placed the ball slightly farther back in order to use the field's markings to ensure 10 yards. It was easy to judge encroachment and Etcheverry still scored on the free kick.

[Motterman]

I know I would prefer the ball another yard or two outside of the area. Otherwise you have to dink the ball instead of getting anything on it.... unless the people in the wall or the goalkeeper are stupid or something...

[nsa]

unless the people in the wall or the goalkeeper are stupid or something...

Well, this is the Revolution that we're talking about.

[Andyrey]

Originally posted by Scott Zawadzki
First half of Revs/Fire match, Rev's keeper Aiden Brown is at the edge of his area looking to distribute the ball. Hristo Stoichov (sp??) is standing in front of him and moving with him when Brown moves to his left. Brown finds an area to distribute the ball to but unknowingly steps a full 2 yards out of the penaly area in doing so. Stoichov waves his hand to point out the infraction which the referee whistles. The restart was taken 2 yards outside the penalty area.

My question: Why wasn't the restart JUST outside the PA which is where the infraction took place. If Brown had run 20 yards upfield, would the restart have taken place there???

Scott

I did not see this game, but if the call was a handling the ball by the keeper, it is the wrong call. It should have been an IFK for the keeper's team because Hristo, by moving with the keeper, was 'preventing the keeper from putting the ball into play', one of the 7 technical offenses in law XII.

[GlennAA11]

That was my immediate thought too. Why did the GK go out of the area? Because the attacker was blocking him from putting the ball back into play. Seems like good refereeing would require you to do the fair thing and punish the offense for creating the whole situation in the first place.

But I agree that Hristo definitlely would have wanted that extra couple of yards for his kick in order to get it over the wall but still on goal.

[billf]

Originally posted by Andyrey

I did not see this game, but if the call was a handling the ball by the keeper, it is the wrong call. It should have been an IFK for the keeper's team because Hristo, by moving with the keeper, was 'preventing the keeper from putting the ball into play', one of the 7 technical offenses in law XII.

Hritso was walking with Brown, he wasn't preventing him from playing it. He was to the keeper's right standing away from him by a yard or so, so this wasn't an issue. I'm not even sure Hristo was paying attention to Brown, but he looked down and saw that they were both well out of the area and then put his hand up.

I think Brown just got confused by all of the football lines on the field and just lost track of where he was.

The ref team made the right call, he was a good three yards or so outside of the area.