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Old 05 Jan 2004, 12:30 AM   #1
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Question Request info of UK cup competitions

I am doing a season with Carlisle United (only because my girlfriend's last name is Carlisle, and I thought it would be cool), and I am starting to participate in some cup competitions that I don't know anything about. My question is, what is the difference between the FA Cup and the League Cup? I also want to know what the Carling Cup is, also. If anyone can please tell me what these are
and what you have to do to qualify for them it would be much appreciated.


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Old 05 Jan 2004, 12:40 AM   #2
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The FA Cup is open to every soccer team in the land. It is the oldest knockout style competition in the world I think? Winning the FA Cup gives your ground clearance for the UEFA Champions league.

The League Cup is open to every team in the Nationwide League and the Prem.

The Carling Cup is the League Cup. Naming right / sponsorship. It changes every few years.
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Old 05 Jan 2004, 01:26 AM   #3
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Hey cool...your from Tanner.....GO RATTLERS...


btw-the FA Cup isnt open to everybody...you have to have been in the FA Cup or the FA Vase in the previous season.

All of the League teams get to start the FA Cup in at least the first round....very few teams below the Nationwide Confrence make it into the first round proper and fewer make it to the 3rd round where the EPL and 1st Div. teams start playing.

Are you in the LVS Cup and the FA Trophy and stuff like that?
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Old 05 Jan 2004, 07:42 AM   #4
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btw-the FA Cup isnt open to everybody...you have to have been in the FA Cup or the FA Vase in the previous season.
There are various minimum criteria that have to be met re facilities etc. I am sure the full details will be on the FA website, but I think it boils down to having a ground where you can actually charge people to watch the game (as opposed to just playing on public fields the way 99% of teams in England do).
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Old 23 Jan 2004, 02:11 PM   #5
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The FA Cup is open to every soccer team in the land. It is the oldest knockout style competition in the world I think? Winning the FA Cup gives your ground clearance for the UEFA Champions league.

The League Cup is open to every team in the Nationwide League and the Prem.

The Carling Cup is the League Cup. Naming right / sponsorship. It changes every few years.
Does winning the fa cup get you a spot in the uefa cup??
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Old 23 Jan 2004, 02:49 PM   #6
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Does winning the fa cup get you a spot in the uefa cup??
-howie
Yes, but only if you didn't qualify for the UEFA Champions League. If you qualify for the Champions League, then the UEFA Cup spot goes to the runner-up in the FA Cup. If the runner-up also qualifies for Champions League then the UEFA Cup spot from the FA Cup goes to the 6th place finisher in the Premiership.
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Yes, but only if you didn't qualify for the UEFA Champions League. If you qualify for the Champions League, then the UEFA Cup spot goes to the runner-up in the FA Cup. If the runner-up also qualifies for Champions League then the UEFA Cup spot from the FA Cup goes to the 6th place finisher in the Premiership.
The UEFA Cup spot also gets moved if the FA Cup Winner also won the League Cup OR finished fifth in the Premiership.

The FA wants as many teams in Europe as they can get, so they give UEFA Cup places to 5th place in the Premiership, the FA and League Cup Winners (if different), the runners-up (if they do NOT qualify for either the Champions League or UEFA Cup by other means), and then if a spot is left, 6th place in the Premiership.

Usually, the 6th place team can expect to get a UEFA Cup place because the last several FA Cup Winners made the Champions League (Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, others that I don't remember). You don't see too many surprise Cup Winners any more.
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Old 25 Jan 2004, 09:46 PM   #8
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Have anyone thought about the possibility of the Conference extension from 22 teams to 66 teams next season would make it possible for a Conference League Cup Like the League Cup for the Nationwide Divisions.

Okay lets get the Cups in England sorted:

Cups Arranged by the FA:
FA Cup
FA Trophy (Mostly Conference teams, and Unibond, Ryman Dr.Martens teams)
FA Vase (Lower Nonleague teams)

Cups Arranged by Various Leagues:
The League Cup (only entrance for the 92 Nationwide teams plus 8 Conference teams)
The Associate Members Cup (LDV Cup) (teams from 2. division, 3. Division and some Conference teams are particioating).
Ryman Cup
Dr. Martens Cup
Unibond Cup

The Charity shield (Super Cup)

I know many other lower nonleague cups exist, but they were not relevant.

Did i forget one?
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