Article: Time for MLS to grow up

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by BSGuy321, Nov 18, 2008.

  1. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    Yawn...is there nothing about MLS that Toronto doesn't complain about? They're fast becoming the Joe Lieberman of MLS.
     
  2. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Move along. Nothing to see here. Another Eurosnob spending all his time with his hand in his pants watching the EPL.
     
  3. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can we start sending Toronto's newspapers all the old US articles like this from '96-'00?
     
  4. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't you love the misty-eyed columnists pretending that professional sports - in the US, Canada, England, Spain, wherever - is not about money?

    BTW, Derby County was mathematically eliminated from the Premiership title by their 8th game last year (October).
     
  5. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Awesome article.

    Relegation/promotion and single-table with no playoffs. Genius!!!!

    Why didn't anyone think of this before?


    ----sigh----
     
  6. BSGuy321

    BSGuy321 Member

    Sep 2, 2008
    Not defending the author, but I think his point was that teams at the bottom still need to fight hard the rest of the season because of the relegation threat. Which, in his view, is preferred over a system whereby teams that are sub-par (NY) and teams like LA (who hadn't won a game for three months and still had a shot to make the playoffs near the end) have a chance to win it all.

    On a personal note, I think implementing relegation at this time is simply not feasible. And is not that easy to implement as the author seems to be suggesting.

    But I do understand what he's driving at. In his opinion, the Crew would be the undisputed champion of 2008. Can't say I totally disagree with that argument there.
     
  7. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any point the author makes is lost in his seeming ignorance of the mechanics and logistics of soccer in this country and in his country. If you can find someone willing to slap down multi-millions knowing that the chance exists his franchise could end up playing in out-of-the-way towns in tiny stadiums totally off the sports radar, I have a map to Shangri-La I need to speak to this person about.
     
  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, the old pro/rel makes late season games MEAN something argument.

    Tell that to KC, NY, DC, Colorado, and FSL. All of which had somethingt to play for throught he final minute of the final game this season, but would have been safe from any reasonable relegation for a few games before that.

    Pro/rel over playoffs shifts which games are important, it usually doesn't create a significantly higher number of important games.
     
  9. narko

    narko New Member

    Jul 16, 2007
    North Carolina
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that mid-tier group fighting for a spot in Superliga...
     
  10. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Especially given that there is no division to relegate to or promote from.

    Other than that little detail, it should be a snap
     
  11. jpg75

    jpg75 Member

    Jun 11, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Gareth Wheeler is less of a columnist and more of a late-night talk show host - literally. He hosts the "Casino Rama" Grill Room on at 11pm on SunTV and discusses sports and pop culture with his guests. He's supposed to be opinionated and slightly controversial.
     
  12. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now we have a new species: Canadosnob.
     
  13. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, problem solved:

    Relegate the bottom two teams, their cities and fans, to CANADA

    Promote the top two Canadian teams, cities and fans, to the United States.
     
  14. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't say its a whole new species. Its a subspecies of Eurosnob. Its the Red Canadian Eurosnob ;)
     
  15. Dignan

    Dignan Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Granada
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would REALLY be interested in your map. How can I get more information?
     
  16. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    We could just have the Canada Cup series winner play in MLS the following year and the two losers play in USL1. I'm sure BMO Field would continue selling out every game for USL1 action just like the Lynx did!
     
  17. TapocoL

    TapocoL Member

    Feb 7, 2007
    Bay Area, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the biggest reason MLS will not shift to pro/rel soon is because of the franchise fee. Owners are coming into the league forking out 35-40 million to automatically be gifted a top-level US/Canada soccer team. Now wouldn't the owners throw a hissy-fit if that big bulk of money spent for their guarenteed top-level team would lose its guarentee and be possibly relegated. I am sure owners would not be forking out this much money for an MLS team that is not guarenteed to remain at top-level for at least the next 5 years.

    So stop complaining about pro/rel, and complain about single-entity.
     
  18. Davids26

    Davids26 Member

    May 31, 2000
    I was pretty sure the Mexican League and leagues throughout South American used playoffs...
     
  19. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the article writer had been serious, he would have concluded by demanding TFC, Montreal, Vancouver, and Ottawa start their own Canadian D-1 league.
     
  20. piltdownman

    piltdownman Member

    Jun 24, 2005
    vancouver
    At least Toronto seems to give MLS some ink. I disagree about relegation, but the playoffs are pretty crap.

    I say have a Single Final, Best in East vs Best in the West. Both get into the CCL as do the US Open Cup winner and runner up. 2-5 get into Superliga. If there is overlap it just comes down the table.
     
  21. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    To psychics perhaps. As bad as they were, nobody else would have bet too much on them getting a points tally that low at the time.

    Pro sports are driven by money. Professional anything is driven by money. That doesn't mean that making money is the motivation behind sports though.
     
  22. The 92nd Fish

    The 92nd Fish Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    London, England
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Thats impossible, 8 x 3 = 24

    even if Derby were 24 points behind the leaders after eight games (the leaders invariably being the only team to have won eight straight to gain the maximum points difference, which no team did last year) Derby would still have had 28 games left to stay up, 28 x 3 = 84, more than enough points available to mathematically stay up. They didn't get relegated until well into 2008 around April time.
     
  23. studzup

    studzup New Member

    Nov 11, 2007
    Winthrop;Kinsale,IRE
    Exactly. But that would require Canada to grow up.

    They could pull it off, as well. But why do any heavy lifting?
     
  24. piltdownman

    piltdownman Member

    Jun 24, 2005
    vancouver
    I think at the very least the MLS should stop rewarding crap teams by giving them top SuperDraft Positions. Either scrap the draft or have top draft to to the club that doesn't get into Superliga or CCL. So if team 1-8 get into those. The 9th place team gets first pick, 10th gets the second pick, 11th gets third pick and so on
     

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