MLS Attendance Analysis: Final 2008 Numbers

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Andy_B, Oct 27, 2008.

  1. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Code:
    % of season completed				
    100%					
    Year	Average	Median	%<10K	%>20k
    1996	17406	15093	21.9%	26.3%
    1997	14619	12733	25.0%	16.3%
    1998	14312	11871	26.6%	16.1%
    1999	14282	12973	32.3%	15.1%
    2000	13756	12690	34.4%	12.5%
    2001	14962	13431	26.6%	17.7%
    2002	15821	14108	17.1%	18.6%
    2003	14898	13641	23.3%	18.0%
    2004	15559	13285	24.7%	25.3%
    2005	15108	12619	27.1%	17.7%
    2006	15504	14175	18.8%	18.8%
    2007	16770	15353	8.2%	29.7%
    2008	16459	15188	11.0%	24.8%
    
     
  2. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3rd out of 13 for average
    2nd out of 13 for median
    2nd out of 13 for <10k
    4th out of 13 for >20k

    Final AAQ = 2.75


    Hope you all enjoyed these posts this year.
     
  3. Adam T

    Adam T Member

    Jun 26, 2006
    I hope it's ok to repost this here.

    A few more end of season attendance stats

    Reported attendance above 15,000: 109/210 games
    Above 15,000/below 15,000
    1.Los Angeles Galaxy, 15/0
    2.Toronto FC, 15-0
    3.D.C United, 13-2
    4.Chicago Fire, 12-3
    5.Houston Dynamo, 9-6
    6.Columbus Crew, 8-7
    6.Real Salt Lake, 8-7
    8.New England Revolution, 7-8
    9.New York Red Bull, 6-9
    10.Chivas U.S.A, 5-10
    11.Dallas FC, 4-11
    12.San Jose Earthquakes, 3-12
    13.Colorado Rapids, 3-12
    14.Kansas City Wizards, 1-14

    Reported Attendance
    above 20,000: 52 games
    15,000-19,999: 57 games
    10,000-14,999: 77 games
    under 10,000: 24 games

    Teams with Soccer Specific Stadiums for whole season
    1.Los Angeles 26,009/27,000 capacity, 96.3% of capacity
    2.Toronto F.C, 20,108/20,000 100.0%
    3.Chicago Fire, 17,034/20,000 (approx) 85.2%
    4.Chivas U.S.A, 15,114/27000 56.0%
    5.Columbus Crew, 14,622/20,145 72.6%
    6.Colorado Rapids, 13,659/18,086 75.5%
    7.Dallas F.C, 13,024/20,500 63.5%

    Average 17,081/21,819 78.3%

    Games with Los Angeles/David Beckham
    L.A Home games: 15-390,132-26,009 average
    L.A Away games: 15-421,907-28,127 average

    League reported attendance excluding L.A Home/Away game (and New England double header game)
    179 games 2,590,306 attendance, 14,471 average

    including L.A Home games: 194-2,980,438-15,363 average

    Team reported attendance averages excluding Beckham/L.A games

    1.Toronto F.C 20,108
    2.D.C United 18,682
    3.Chicago Fire, 16,811
    4.Houston Dynamo, 15,811
    5.Real Salt Lake, 15,509
    6.Chivas U.S.A, 14,265
    7.Columbus Crew, 14,046
    8.New York Red Bull, 13,727
    9.Colorado Rapids, 13,298
    10.New England Revolution, 13,108 (also excluding double header)
    11.Dallas FC, 11,693
    12.San Jose Earthquakes, 10,750
    13.Kansas City Wizards, 9,584
     
  4. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    NYCFC - Napoli
    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Good numbers for MLS.
     
  5. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Clearly, San Jose and KC stadium situations had negatively effected the averages.

    In own places, one may have to add 2,000-3,000 in PA to those two franchises.
     
  6. Golazo

    Golazo Member+

    Apr 15, 1999
    Decatur, GA USA
    As always, Andy: Thank you.
     
  7. Blackbox

    Blackbox Member

    Jul 12, 2007
    Indiana/Tennessee
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm looking forward to where the Sounders will fall in these numbers next year. Good or bad it will be interesting.

    Thanks for your work
     
  8. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the AAQ numbers for all the years, ranked from best to worst.

    2007: 1.25
    1996/2008: 2.75
    2002: 4.5
    2006: 4.75
    2004: 5.75
    2003: 7
    2001: 8.25
    1997/2005: 9.5
    1998/1999: 11.25
    2000: 12.5


    This is an interesting and relative fair way to rank the seasons I think.

    End of the century was pretty ugly :(
     
  9. guamster

    guamster Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    Winnetka, CA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Guam
    Given Seattle's 16,000+ season-ticket base, I predict it will fall somewhere between "very good" and "excellent." :)
     
  10. STpassion

    STpassion Red Card

    Apr 7, 2008
    South of Turnpike
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The best AAQ happened in years 2007, 1996 and 2008. Next year will be even better.
    I just wonder if KC and San Jose had their own stadiums, their average be around 10k anyway, just like crowds at PHP.
     
  11. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First, Andy great job. I really look forward to tracking the attendance during the year and for the last couple of years this thread has proved to be a serious review of how the league is progressing.

    Second, In addition to Seattle, we may also have a bump from believe it or not New York with the upcoming opening of RB Arena. This is a fantastic facility that I believe will significantly enable an improvement in Red Bull attendance. What still seems up in the air is exactly when will the facility be completed. The good news appears to be that construction has been going very well and may be ahead of schedule.
     
  12. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    Andy, thanks again for doing this work. It makes for very interesting discussions and one of the few truly objective ways we have of measuring the league's progress.

    As for the numbers, I'm looking forward to Seattle's help and to the day we can get the Columbuses, New Yorks, New Englands, and and Colorados of the league up over 15 000 without special games.
     
  13. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure next year will be better. Certainly, with Seattle and the new Red Bull Arena, those numbers will boost things. But the economy is such a big question mark right now, and I don't think anyone knows how that will effect things.

    It could be hugely bad. It could, since MLS tickets are cheaper than anything major league other than baseball, actually be a benefit to MLS.

    Either way, as always many thanks, Andy, for all the work you do.
     
  14. MuD life

    MuD life New Member

    Nov 24, 2003
    West Haven, CT
    toronto sold out+ this year and think were last year will they add seats anytime soon
     
  15. John_Harkes_6

    John_Harkes_6 New Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Baltimore, MD.
    Andy, how many data points were there between 16,459 and 16,770? I was just wondering how many games we would have needed above the 16,770 to beat last year's median.

    thanks again for all the stats
     
  16. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How do you figure that? Our average in San Jose this year was 13,713. Why do you figure it would go down to 10k in a new stadium 40 miles closer to our prime fan base than our current large stadium in Oakland?
     
  17. CommonSense

    CommonSense Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Portland
    Really good point, I think we'll see much higher averages in New York, especially considering they have that open DP slot, a player like Henry could sell out the season. Access to public transportation, beautiful facility, it all looks to be coming together. RSL having a full season at Rio Tinto (coming off a playoff season) should also help.

    This was a solid, if not spectacular season for MLS. San Jose and KC obviously affected the turnout, although I was a bit concerned w/ KC's number of non-sellouts. Next year should see a jump, even during the recession, as cheaper MLS tickets (compared to MLB) may actually help drive up attendances.

    That said, the Beckham effect should also taper, if he's hear. It'd be nice to see a club like Colorado or Dallas at a marquee name to drive up attendances home and away .
     
  18. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seattle is already up to 17,000. They just said in the Ljungberg press conference that they hope to have 20,000 season tickets by the time the season starts.
     
  19. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You lost me here, friend. I don't know how you can call this anything but a great season, attendance wise, for MLS.
     
  20. Toronto Red

    Toronto Red Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    First of all, Thanks Andy, I look forward to your thread every week.

    Some notes about Toronto for what its worth, as a season ticket holder, they have 2009 renewal at 95% (15,250) they have gone through a seat relocation process and are now offering tickets to the various waiting lists. Word on the street is that there are up to 13k on the waiting list. A promise of a DP and with a good foundation to build on, has left Toronto wondering what might be for next season and whets the appetite after a reasonably strong finish to what was turning out to be a pretty poor end to the season.

    About weather, at least half our home games had rain this year it seemed and it did not adversely affect attendance which is a good sign. Depending on who you talk to there is a dwindling demand and enthusiam or there is a clamourig for more seats.

    Cheers
     
  21. STpassion

    STpassion Red Card

    Apr 7, 2008
    South of Turnpike
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are the chances of getting a grass field?...Because that alone could attract notable DPs, as in case with Hucks early this year.
     
  22. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't that a 100% probability at this point? I'd heard it was a done deal. They're installing a hybrid real/fake grass field in the off season like many premiership teams use. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  23. Toronto Red

    Toronto Red Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    I think this was all hearsay, what happened was Mo Edu was sold and now TFC has ~2.7M to spend for infrastructure and MOJO hinted that they could use that for a grass facility (meaning a practice facility). No one ever mentioned that BMO would get natural grass, it was only inferred. The grassmaster pitch also came up but again it was hearsay.

    I doubt there will be any changes to BMO for next season other than token items like washrooms, beer stands and concessions.

    Unfortunately, IMO.
     
  24. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh :(

    Still I suppose on one level the fake grass is better if you guys had that much rain during the season. Still the hybrid system would have been nice.
     
  25. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    Given that the season was sold out before the first game was played they could have buried all the seats in snow and it wouldn't have been possible to affect the attendance.

    I really hope Seattle pulls a Toronto and becomes a second team with continual sellouts (even if only of the open part of their stadium). As long as MLS doesn't try to invent yet another hokey cup to commemorate Toronto-Seattle matches as a result.
     

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