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Old 29 Oct 2003, 08:32 PM   #1
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The MLS Cup Playoffs Media Guide (http://www.mlsnet.com/special/mlscup...e_complete.pdf) has some interesting breakdowns for where goals come from that leads to some great analysis.

For each of the playoff teams (but not the Crew and Burn, unfortunately, which make league-wide totals impossible), they list the number of goals that were scored:

With the right foot;
The left foot;
Off headers; and
Other

From Open Play;
via a cross;
via a corner;
penalties;
direct free kick;
indirect free kick; and
own goals

Inside Goal Area;
Inside Penalty Area; and
Outside Penalty area

For these eight teams, more goals were scored with the right foot than the left (160-138) or off headers (54). New England led in right-footers, Chicago (not surprisingly) in left-footers, both with 29.

191 came from open play (Chicago and New England led with 35 apiece), 59 from crosses (San Jose and DC led with 10 each), 40 off penalties (we had that information already), 22 off indirect free kicks, 10 off direct free kicks, 5 off own goals, and 26 off corners (more on that in a moment).

236 goals came from inside the penalty area (New England's 37 led the league), 73 from inside the goal area (I assume they mean the six...the Quakes got 14 of those to lead the league) and only 44 from outside the penalty area.

As for corners - I bring this up because we were talking about it before. Seems like the CK is a very, very, very low-percentage play, at least in terms of actually scoring goals.

Team totals and percentages of goals off corners to total corners (I realize this might not be 100% accurate, and not 100% of all corners are sent across with the intent of scoring directly off it, and we don't know how they classified a corner-kick goal---did they count a goal not directly off a CK but which started with a CK as a CK goal?):


Team............CK....CKG...Pct.
MetroStars......146....5...3.42%
San Jose........167....5...2.99%
Los Angeles.....173....5...2.89%
New England.....158....4...2.53%
Kansas City.....126....3...2.38%
Chicago.........143....3...2.10%
Colorado........136....1...0.74%
DC United.......175....0...0.00%
THESE TEAMS...1,224...26...2.12%


I don't know how useful this information is, but I thought it was interesting, and I've not seen it before.

The raw numbers:

Category..............SJ..LA..COL.KC.CHI..DC..NE.MET.TOTAL
Right Foot............23..18..16..20..20...7..29..27..160
Left Foot.............17...5..20..22..29..22..16...7..138
Headers................5..12...4...5...3...9..10...6...54
Other..................0...0...0...1...1...0...0...0....2

Open Play.............22..13..23..28..35..16..35..19..191
Cross.................10...9...7...7...5..10...5...6...59
Corner.................5...5...1...3...3...0...4...5...26
Penalties..............2...7...5...5...7...8...2...4...40
Direct Free Kick.......2...0...3...0...1...1...2...1...10
Free Kick (Indirect)...3...1...1...4...1...3...5...4...22
Own Goals..............1...0...0...1...0...0...2...1....5

Inside Goal Area......14...9...5..10...9...9..10...7...73
Inside Penalty Area...27..23..30..30..35..24..37..30..236
Outside Penalty Area...4...3...5...8...8...5...8...3...44
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Old 30 Oct 2003, 12:53 AM   #2
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Nothing about the data seems to contradict common sense. Though, the number of goals off crosses seems kind of low.

For that matter, the same issue about classifying corner kick goals is the same as classifying goals off crosses.

As for the corner kick: I see the corner kick as a side affect of play inside the penalty box. A corner kick usually comes from play inside the penalty box, and results in play inside the penalty box. The team that gets more corner kicks usually possesses the ball more inside the opponent's penalty box.
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Old 30 Oct 2003, 05:49 AM   #3
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Good point.

Without knowing definitions, it's a little hard to do a lot with some of that data, but it is interesting.

As for crosses, yes, that does seem low. Especially when you consider that one strategy in the outdoor game is to bring the ball on the wing and cross it into the box in an attempt to have somebody score with it.

But corner kicks is the only area in which we have a context, because we have the number of opportunities (the league keeps CK stats...though, as mentioned, we don't know how many short corners there were, or what they defined a CK goal as) AND the number of successes, allowing us to get a percentage.

If teams only score on 2% of all corner kicks, then I'm not sure they're worth standing up and getting all excited about.

I'd love to see the number of direct free kicks taken - I'd imagine the percentage is way low there, too.

Somebody would have to keep track of all this stuff. If we had sort of a Project Scoresheet for soccer (tough when not every game is on TV), we might know more of this information, but I thought this was worth mentioning.
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Old 30 Oct 2003, 10:52 AM   #4
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The raw numbers:

Category..............SJ..LA..COL.KC.CHI..DC..NE.MET.TOTAL
Penalties..............2...7...5...5...7...8...2...4...40
Outside Penalty Area...4...3...5...8...8...5...8...3...44
At first glance, these two items stood out.

1) Donovan has a reputation as a diver, but he clearly isn't getting any favors in the penalty area. Of course, this may be because he hasn't been active enough in the attack.

2) With the discussion of shooting percentages, it's interesting to note that low-percentage shooters like Preki and Razov played for the teams that led the league in long-range goalscoring. LD's San Jose, by contrast, was runaway leader in close-range goals.

Who was New England's best long-range scorer? Kamler?
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Old 30 Oct 2003, 04:27 PM   #5
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Tough to get a word in edgewise on this forum ...

Anyway, there are two stats here that really surprise me.

1) Chicago last in header goals

This team ought to be among the most dangerous in the air. Jaqua, Razov, and Ralph are big forwards, and Boca, Gray, and Curtin are all strong in the air.

2) New England last in goals from crosses.

Isn't Steve Ralston the best crosser in the league? His crosses were certainly effective during Gold Cup.
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Old 04 Nov 2003, 08:58 PM   #6
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Kenn (and others),

I know MLSNET has video of every goal on their website, so it could be done off of that for the non-playoff teams.

I also know that OPTA tracks this kind of stuff in England, and Stats, Inc. does it for Mexico.

Getting Elias involved in MLS has brought it there too, and MLS certainly has been better than any country except England even before that when it comes to keeping statistics.

But it has been done before Elias.
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Old 17 Nov 2003, 12:57 AM   #7
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I assume from the numbers that what they're calling a "direct free kick" goal is one where no one touches the ball except the kicker, and an "indirect free kick" goal as one that resulted from a free kick but was touched by someone other than the kicker before the goal was scored. This would differ from the terminology used in the Laws, where an indirect free kick is a free kick that MUST be touched by two players before a goal can be legally scored. The difference is subtle but important.

A lot of those "indirect free kicks" could probably be called "crosses" as well. So could the corners.

D.C. United didn't score from a single corner kick all year?
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Math wasn't my strong suit, but English is. I don't see the distinction.

We don't have any of the definitions that Elias (I assume it's Elias) used. It could very well be that if the referee called an indirect free kick, they would classify a goal scored on that play as an indirect free kick goal. Likewise with a direct free kick.

If the referee calls indirect, and the Laws say two players must touch the ball before a goal is scored, and two players touch the ball and the ball goes in, I would reckon they'd count that under "indirect free kick goals."

Unless I'm missing something.

I would like to see the number of opportunities on that, too. I would imagine it's a small percentage of direct (and indirect) free kicks that result directly in goals. If you only counted free kicks from about the 35 on in, that would (to me, at least) qualify as a "chance" from a free kick. As opposed to a free kick after an offside call back in the defensive team's end, or after a foul in the middle third.
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I've gotten a general impression that MLS doesn't score from headers nearly as often as most other leagues. That might be related to the corner kicks statistics.
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I've gotten a general impression that MLS doesn't score from headers nearly as often as most other leagues. That might be related to the corner kicks statistics.
Interesting point.

For Mexico, I could only find the top individual scorers of header goals (on espndeportes.com), which includes everyone who converted at least two headers -- they combined for 80 goals this season, and it seems like a reasonable guess to think there were well over 100 in 380 MFL games, versus only 54 in 300 MLS games.

Miguel Sabah of Chivas scored 6 headers in only 887 minutes. The average MLS team scored 5.4 headers in the entire season.

Techie question: femexfut.org.mx posts detailed minute-by-minute match reports in pdf format. What's the easiest way for me to turn pdf into flat text?
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