[Ian McCracken]

FBI: Michigan's crime rate down 10.5% with CCW law

In 1999, Michigan's violent crime rate was 4,324.8 per 100,000 people, compared to Ohio's 3,996.4. Legislators and citizens were fed up. Amidst howls from gun control extremists, failed court challenges, and veto-threats, Michigan's state legislature passed a "shall-issue" concealed carry reform bill into law. The state began issuing licenses in the year 2000.

In the first year of widespread licensing, Michigan's rate dropped to 4,109.9, vs. Ohio's increase to 4,041.8 per 100,000 people.

In 2001, Michigan's crime rate dropped below Ohio's for the first time since modern crime trends have been recorded - down to 4,081.5 per 100,000 people, compared to yet another increase in Ohio - up to 4,177.6.

The FBI has just released it's 2002 Uniform Crime Report, which reveals stunning facts about the success of Michigan's concealed carry law: amidst a slight upward trend in crime nationwide, Michigan's crime rate has dropped yet again: down to 3874.1, a 10.5% reduction in just three years. In that same time, Ohio's crime rate has increased 5%.

Ohio's violent crime rate is increasing at an even faster pace than the overall crime trend - up 4.24% in 2002. Michigan's violent crime rate, on the other hand, dropped another 2.63%. Ohio's murder rate was up a whopping 21.24% last year, while Michigan's experienced a less than one percent change. Ohio's rape rate (already one of the highest in the nation) rose another 13.31% last year, while Michigan's dropped 1.34%. Robberies in Ohio surged 6.5% in 2002, while they dropped a whopping 8.49% across the northern border. Car thefts, which include carjackings, increased 2.83% in Ohio last year, while falling 7.42% in Michigan.

[obie]

FBI: New York City, with no concealed weapons law, is the safest large city in America

According to the FBI's "Crime in the United States" report, while crime increased very slightly across the country, in New York City it decreased by 5% to the lowest level since the 1960s.

New York's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, is boasting that "the safest big city in America keeps getting safer".

New York's crime rate is the lowest it has been for four decades.

The number of murders committed is down below the level of 1963, at 580 a year.

That is a drop of nearly 10% on the previous year's figure of 649.

The point? Saying that a concealed weapons permit law reduced crime by 10.5% is like saying that a Detroit Bear Patrol Tax keeps bears off Detroit city streets.

[Blitzz Boy]

Isn't some of that decrease in crime in NYC due to Guiliani's law enforcement tactics that Liberals told us would lead to totalitarianism?

Meanwhile...........

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[obie]

Originally posted by Blitzz Boy
Isn't some of that decrease in crime in NYC due to Guiliani's law enforcement tactics that Liberals told us would lead to totalitarianism?

Speaking personally, I loved Bill Bratton's quality of life approach to crimefighting. But there are lots of cops who still have not been taught how to enforce it correctly. That's why crime is down and complaints to the Civilian Review Board are up.

[Ian McCracken]

Originally posted by obie
New York's crime rate is the lowest it has been for four decades.

The point? Saying that a concealed weapons permit law reduced crime by 10.5% is like saying that a Detroit Bear Patrol Tax keeps bears off Detroit city streets.

The point is that you were caught trying to pass off Giuliani's conservative law enforcement tactics as a victory for liberalism.

[oman]

Originally posted by Ian McCracken
The point is that you were caught trying to pass off Giuliani's conservative law enforcement tactics as a victory for liberalism.

That was the second point.

The first was that your initial post shows you to be somewhat full of *#*#*#*#.

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by obie
Speaking personally, I loved Bill Bratton's quality of life approach to crimefighting. But there are lots of cops who still have not been taught how to enforce it correctly. That's why crime is down and complaints to the Civilian Review Board are up.

Correct, and that the initiative to place 100,000 cops on the streets flooded the dept w/ a higher presence. Plus, crime rate and the economy are tradtionally inversley related.

When the grandstanding, compusively unfaithful media whore noticed he was getting more run in the rags than him, he had Bratton fired.

[Garcia]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
Plus, crime rate and the economy are tradtionally inversley related.

I know of this relationship. I have heard of it a few times, but isn't the left saying that Bush is hurting the economy?

Which is it?... because crime is down.

[Ian McCracken]

Originally posted by oman
That was the second point.

The first was that your initial post shows you to be somewhat full of *#*#*#*#.

Just the facts, my friend, just the facts. That's all I posted.

[DevilDave]

Originally posted by Ian McCracken
Just the facts, my friend, just the facts. That's all I posted.

Perhaps you're right Ian. Personally, I think New York would be far, far safer town if your average law-abiding New Yorker were allowed to carry a concealed weapon anywhere. Muggings, armed robberies, rapes and of course the murder rate would plummet to all time lows.

We also need to make CCW permits easy to obtain in the City and County of San Francisco. If I could tell you how many times I'd wanted to pop a cap into some of the overly-aggressive and rude f#*&#rs who've hassled me for change, I tell you...