[nobody]

Josh left the Chicago game against KC with a knee injury. I read on another board that it may have been an ACL. Does anybody know any other details?

[jmeissen0]

Originally posted by nobody
Josh left the Chicago game against KC with a knee injury. I read on another board that it may have been an ACL. Does anybody know any other details?

your best bet will be to pay attention to the fire forum


so far two chicago newspapers have basically said this... however, it will not be confirmed until later today or tomorrow

[Solskjaer]

It has, unfortunately, been confirmed...it is an ACL according to Soccer America's MLS confidential.

[The Wanderer]

Originally posted by Solskjaer
It has, unfortunately, been confirmed...it is an ACL according to Soccer America's MLS confidential.

That sucks big donkey balls. However, he's still only 25 so he should be able to get over it. Mathis, Wolff, myself(definitely not comparing my soccer ability to these guys). Either we all have physical structures that place extreme loads on the ACLs or extremely bad luck. My guess is that it's a genetic thing related to hip width. Women athletes have lots of knee injuries also and their hips are generally much wider than males.

Any orthopedic specialists want to chime in with their two cents? Is there any way to prevent these types of injuries? I'd like to know for my future son's sake.

[fidlerre]

Originally posted by The Wanderer



Any orthopedic specialists want to chime in with their two cents? Is there any way to prevent these types of injuries? I'd like to know for my future son's sake.

while no specialist i can tell you what i have heard from 3 different doctors in relation to acl injuries (due to the fact that i, my father and my brother (twice) have all torn the acl and had surgery) and they said that although not proven through any study it is widely thought that genetics do play a role in acl injuries...something about the way the inside of the knee is shaped in a slightly different way, at least that is what our 3 doctors have said.

[David Allan]

Is an ACL injury inevitable? There was talk of Wolff being traded to the MetroStars right before Wednesday's match. If he had not played, would he have done his ACL anyway in the next game or two? IOW, is this an injury that develops with time, or does it occur based upon a specific movement?

[babytiger2001]

Originally posted by David Allan
Is an ACL injury inevitable? (snip) ...is this an injury that develops with time, or does it occur based upon a specific movement?

Specific movements, basically-- although there are some types of ACL injuries that are "wear and tear"-related as well.

Based on the release from the Fire, it wasn't the first time he had done the same knee.

http://www.chicago-fire.com/pressbox....asp?prID=1113

from the release
Wolff, 25, suffered the same injury in his left knee in September 1999, missing the Fire's playoff run that season.

And for that matter, same thing with Clint Mathis last year, when he did his ACL. So that might have some bearing or influence as well, over the course of time.

Mind you, I'm no specialist in the field of orthopaedic medicine, either... so take my comments with the obligatory grain of salt.

Cheers,
William

[The Wanderer]

Originally posted by babytiger2001


Specific movements, basically-- although there are some types of ACL injuries that are "wear and tear"-related as well.

Based on the release from the Fire, it wasn't the first time he had done the same knee.

http://www.chicago-fire.com/pressbox....asp?prID=1113



And for that matter, same thing with Clint Mathis last year, when he did his ACL. So that might have some bearing or influence as well, over the course of time.

Mind you, I'm no specialist in the field of orthopaedic medicine, either... so take my comments with the obligatory grain of salt.

Cheers,
William

IMHO you read that press release wrong. It said that he had the same injury in his left knee, that doesn't mean that he did his left knee again. AFAIK it's his right knee this time. Since he's in midseason shape his cardiovascular health should allow him to recover quickly. He came back pretty fast from that one in '99.

Fidlerre, you're the man. Hopefully they'll come up with a way to prevent these injuries in the future...at least they've developed an incision that doesn't damage the nerve as much near the knee and thus a person doesn't lose the sensation of feeling his knee in space as badly.

[fidlerre]

Originally posted by babytiger2001


Based on the release from the Fire, it wasn't the first time he (Wolff) had done the same knee.

And for that matter, same thing with Clint Mathis last year, when he did his ACL.

when your acl is replaced, whether is it with part of your own patella tendon, hamstrong or a corpse's acl...the new acl is regarded as being stronger than the original acl god gives you at birth, especially if you use the patella tendon in the replacement.

for you to tear a replaced acl takes a tremendous injury, and when it does happen it is very rare or it happens in somebody who never took the time to fully rehabiliate the knee once surgery is complete.

in both wolff's and mathis's case they tore the other acl...which in the case of serious athlete's is all too common b/c of the stress the that non-repaired knee takes post-surgery. despite the long rehab of the knee and its apparent health, the *good* knee tends to compensate much more than you would think and over time that can take it toll.

[JMoney418]

Well Im no specialist either but ACLs are part heriditary. Depending on the shape of the knee and such. Some people are just more prone to it, especially being an athlete. The way you can look at it....if you tear one, it might be wear and tear, a freak accident...etc. If you tear both thenits likely you were more prone to it..especially wear and tear wise.