[ztnjv]

Yes, yes, I know. This is a worn out topic and will go nowhere but it must be said nonetheless:

Replay serves a purpose and should be used in a limited way.

Luca Toni's disallowed goal vs. Romania demonstrates such a use. It takes literally 5 seconds (at the most) with no disruption of play to quickly verify whether such a goal is offside or onside. The play is dead. In the time it takes Luca Toni to run his fingers through his air and then cover his mouth as he screams in frustration to see his goal disallowed, the commentators are already seeing that the call was wrong. Any man with 2 eyes can quickly radio down to the ref to reverse the call before the keeper can set up for an ensuing goal kick.

Now I'm not talking about replaying off-sides called in the run of play. That's obviously too complicated and unfortunate. No, I'm talking about goal mouth incidents with lots of shifting back lines coinciding with forward lunges by the strikers where everything happens too fast and goals like Toni's get sadly disallowed all too often. Such plays are quick moments where nobody on the field has even had time to react to the flag. There can be no excuse from the defense that the flag affected their game play behavior because the ball is in the net already.

It's a very safe and clean place to employ replay. Defensive players are holding their arms up while liking the offside call, the team that scores is still scowling at the linemen for raising the flag and protesting and the ball is still just sitting in the net. There is a window of a few seconds to quickly verify the call and get on with it.

It's worth it.

[ztnjv]

Another case:

I'm watching GRE-RUS and Greece just had a goal disallowed in the 87th minute that looked onside. A quick replay showed that it was. Nobody knew that it was offside until the ball was in the net.

Andy Gray was already disputing upon seeing the replay as the Italian ref upheld the lineman's call and raises his arm.


Very simple to overrule with no effect on game play.

[Vocalz]

Originally Posted by ztnjv

Another case:

I'm watching GRE-RUS and Greece just had a goal disallowed in the 87th minute that looked onside. A quick replay showed that it was. Nobody knew that it was offside until the ball was in the net.

Andy Gray was already disputing upon seeing the replay as the Italian ref upheld the lineman's call and raises his arm.


Very simple to overrule with no effect on game play.

******** that shit. The U.S. NFL can keep that stupid shit for themselves.

[x2thez]

Originally Posted by ztnjv

Yes, yes, I know. This is a worn out topic and will go nowhere but it must be said nonetheless:

Replay serves a purpose and should be used in a limited way.

Luca Toni's disallowed goal vs. Romania demonstrates such a use. It takes literally 5 seconds (at the most) with no disruption of play to quickly verify whether such a goal is offside or onside. The play is dead. In the time it takes Luca Toni to run his fingers through his air and then cover his mouth as he screams in frustration to see his goal disallowed, the commentators are already seeing that the call was wrong. Any man with 2 eyes can quickly radio down to the ref to reverse the call before the keeper can set up for an ensuing goal kick.

Now I'm not talking about replaying off-sides called in the run of play. That's obviously too complicated and unfortunate. No, I'm talking about goal mouth incidents with lots of shifting back lines coinciding with forward lunges by the strikers where everything happens too fast and goals like Toni's get sadly disallowed all too often. Such plays are quick moments where nobody on the field has even had time to react to the flag. There can be no excuse from the defense that the flag affected their game play behavior because the ball is in the net already.

It's a very safe and clean place to employ replay. Defensive players are holding their arms up while liking the offside call, the team that scores is still scowling at the linemen for raising the flag and protesting and the ball is still just sitting in the net. There is a window of a few seconds to quickly verify the call and get on with it.

It's worth it.

you didnt' make so much fuss about the first goal conceded against holland....italians complaining about referee mistakes is pathetic.

[usasoccerhooligan]

Originally Posted by ztnjv

Another case:

I'm watching GRE-RUS and Greece just had a goal disallowed in the 87th minute that looked onside. A quick replay showed that it was. Nobody knew that it was offside until the ball was in the net.

Andy Gray was already disputing upon seeing the replay as the Italian ref upheld the lineman's call and raises his arm.


Very simple to overrule with no effect on game play.

it looked like the Greek player (Gekas?) was slightly offside when the other Greek flicked it on. remember, a player is in an offside position if anything that can play the ball is past the second-to-last defender. his head and chest were definitely past the defense.

on a side note, if i hear Rece Davis mention Panucci, i'm going to stab someone, and why does Julie Foudy have to be on ESPN? if they need a woman on the air, i'm sure they can find a six year old in Idaho that would know more.

[Prawn Sandwich]

Originally Posted by x2thez

********* you didnt' make so much fuss about the first goal conceded against holland....italians complaining about referee mistakes is pathetic.

Why would you think it's ok to post a response like that?

[ztnjv]

Originally Posted by x2thez

you didnt' make so much fuss about the first goal conceded against holland....italians complaining about referee mistakes is pathetic.

well, well. I guess you're not very interested in calm conversation, are you?

It's ok. I can wait for others with something real and mature to say.

I hope for your sake that you're not this rude and unruly in person.

BTW, I see now that the first part of your response was edited. Too bad. I think it worked in illustrating what kinda of poster you really are so others could take note.

[timotheus]

"
Replay serves a purpose and should be used in a limited way."


Absolutely.

No, it won't stop the play and interrupt the flow of the game. A 5th referee, the TV watcher referee, will watch the match on TV.

He (or she) stays in radio contact with the referees on the pitch. The referee on the pitch can then ask (or choose not to - it's the main referees call to put the TV ref into action) if he/she is not sure what happened.

The TV ref then informs the referee on the pitch what happened from video replays.

The whole sequence takes about 10 seconds with a well trained crew.


Oh yes, I know, this is anathema to soccer fans, and will interrupt the flow of the game. Darn, that 10 second interruption...

The fact that EVERY OTHER sport has something similar is beside the point - futbol is futbol, and we LIKE our scandals and the fact that a team can work for YEARS to qualify for a major tournament, and then because of one blown call by the referee (who is human, can make mistakes, and besides might not have the best angle to see an incident because of all the bodies on the pitch) the team that worked so hard is sent packing.

Go ahead, flame away - shout, with spittle flying out of your mouth, with foam frothing on your face, how I am wrong and how this would kill the game.

[Prawn Sandwich]

Please don't feed the trolls

[ztnjv]

Originally Posted by usasoccerhooligan

it looked like the Greek player (Gekas?) was slightly offside when the other Greek flicked it on. remember, a player is in an offside position if anything that can play the ball is past the second-to-last defender. his head and chest were definitely past the defense.

on a side note, if i hear Rece Davis mention Panucci, i'm going to stab someone, and why does Julie Foudy have to be on ESPN? if they need a woman on the air, i'm sure they can find a six year old in Idaho that would know more.

I think the call should have gone the other way. I tend to not give weight to players leaning position. I look at where the player is standing. Any millimeter difference should err on the side of the forward. But I don't know if that's the rule. Still, a replay would have been a good final word.