[ineedanewname]

Then all 3 will have the same amount of point and GD?! 3 PK shoot outs? haha

[revelationx]

Originally Posted by ineedanewname

Then all 3 will have the same amount of point and GD?! 3 PK shoot outs? haha

No, in such a scenario Italy will qualify.

[GoodDead]

Originally Posted by revelationx

No, in such a scenario Italy will qualify.

How do you figure that? If that situation happens France and Italy go to PK's.

If Romania loses 3-1 then it's going into Cards and such.

[ironduke2010]

Originally Posted by revelationx

No, in such a scenario Italy will qualify.

courtesy of that italian 2.364 coefficient per 7.07 subsection f i believe.

[eliostar1]

It's the old Mussolini rule, now called the Berlusconi rule

[revelationx]

Originally Posted by GoodDead

How do you figure that? If that situation happens France and Italy go to PK's.

If Romania loses 3-1 then it's going into Cards and such.

No you can only have pens if only 2 teams cannot be seperated on the criteria before penalty kicks.

If Romania loses 3 -0 and France and Italy get a score draw then all 3 teams will be on 2 pts and with -3 goal difference.

So the first criteria is number of pts gained in the games between these 3 teams. The games against Holland are not included in this criteria. Italy, France and Romania will have 2 pts each and cannot be seperated.

The next criteria is goals scored in the matches between these 3 teams. If Italy and France get a score draw in their match then Italy go through. They will have scored 1 more goal than France did when they played Romania, and at least 1 more goal than Romania did when they played France.

If Italy and France get a no-score draw in their match. Then Italy and Romania each will have scored 1 goal in the matches between the 3 teams and France will have scored 0 goals. So it would come down to Italy and Romania.

In such a scenario penalty kicks cannot be used as Romania and Italy will not be playing against each other. Then it goes to qualifying coefficient and Italy have a better one than Romania. Italy would qualify.

[NL11]

I'm sitting here and wondering why (other than being good sports) Holland should NOT roll over and let the Romanians perhaps beat them!

If I were Van Basten, I would rest my team against Romania and tell them that they are not to shoot on goal under any circumstance. Telling them to 'lose' might be too much, but UEFA only has themselves to blame for what would be a brilliant piece of gamesmanship. Because the tournament does not allow teams on each half of the brackets to meet until the final (why???), Holland could not be criticized from trying to keep Italy and France out of their way so soon again, in a semifinal.

Beating these teams once is a huge accomplishment. Beating them twice in Mt. Everest.

Why wouldn't Holland want to see a Spain v Romania winner in the semi instead of Spain v France/Italy? Spain hasn't seen the Dutch or a tough opponent, so who knows? And if Romania got through, the Dutch would be motivated to beat them for the first time in the tournament, and right the wrong they themselves would have made for the Romanians.

[revelationx]

Originally Posted by GoodDead

How do you figure that? If that situation happens France and Italy go to PK's.

If Romania loses 3-1 then it's going into Cards and such.

If Romania loses 3-1 and France-Italy is a score draw then Italy qualify. This because Italy will have scored more goals than Romania and France in the games between these 3 countries.

If Romania lose 3-1 then they can still qualify if France - Italy is 0-0. In such a scenario then Romania and Italy will both have scored 1 goal each in the games between the 3 teams and france will have scored 0 goals. So it would be between Italy and Romania and the next determining criteria is goal difference between ALL games in the group (ie adding in the Holland matches). Romania would have a goal difference of -2 and Italy a GD of -3. So Romania would qualify.

Complicated, no?

[gmtfan]

What will happen when Romania won't lose to Netherlands and Italia - France will end with a draw?

Romania will go thru, that is for sure

But the funny part is: Italia and France have to do penalty kicks to determine the .... 3rd place

Am I right?

[code1390]

If Romania lose to the Netherlands:

• The winner of Italy-France will advance.

• If Italy and France draw:

• Italy will advance if the Italy-France match is a score draw (ie 1-1, 2-2, etc).

• If Italy-France ends 0-0:
  • And Romania lose by 1 or 2 goals, Romania will advance.
  • And Romania lose by 3 goals and score at least 1 goal, Romania will advance.
  • And Romania lose 3-0 or by more than 3 goals, Italy will advance.

In a three way tie, it is broken by goal difference and then goals for only in games between the tied teams.