[JRedknapp11]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/2189742.stm


Roy has really lost it... he's gone far too long thinking he's untouchable.... I love him cuase he's Irish..but at the same time you wonder when something like this is going to bite him in the ass.

[BrianCappellieri]

Rumor is Haaland is thinking about sueing.

[Motterman]

Originally posted by BrianCappellieri
Rumor is Haaland is thinking about sueing.

The leg that is bothering Haaland is not the one that Keane touched in the tackle. It's an unrelated injury. Other than "intent", he doesn't have a leg to stand on.... ohh... sorry 'bout that....

[Liverpool_SC]

Originally posted by Motterman


The leg that is bothering Haaland is not the one that Keane touched in the tackle. It's an unrelated injury. Other than "intent", he doesn't have a leg to stand on.... ohh... sorry 'bout that....

So far as the injury being unrelated - I am skeptical. Haaland's injury problems occurred almost directly following the match in question and sometimes this type of damage is not apparant immediately (a day or two) after it happens. And, I know you intend to be humorous, but even a completely infatuated Manure fan like yourself must admit that Roy Keane's admission is downright scary (if the quote from the bio is actually true).

I think that dangerously play is unavoidable in soccer. And while undesirable, in two cases it is more or less "acknowledged" by the game because it can be dealt with within the context of the match being played.

Obviously there are players who are angered by a challenge or a play and see the "red haze" - In the midst of their spontaneous passion they lash out at another player (Le Seux, Hartson, etc). This type of behavior is illegal and is generally rewarded with a red card. The fact that FA is now using video to review situations that take place outside of the referee's field of vision is cracking down on excessive retaliation and cheap shots.

There are other players who are terrible instigators, using chippy tactics, their mouths and legal or illegal physical intimidation to get a rise out of opponants - Robbie Savage and Mauricio Tarrico come to mind. These guys often get the cards they deserve and referees don't cut them too much slack when they get a taste of their own medicine in the natural course of rugged play.

What Haaland did was not sporting, but it is important to recognize the context of that tackle as well. Keane was trying to foul Haaland with a spikes up challenge immediately before Haaland taunted him. Wrong, but a little more understandable. It sort of fits in the instigating category of acknowledged sins that are dealt with inside the context of the game.

However, there is something entirely different about a vigilante like Keane. I don't care if Haaland walked away with nary a scratch, what Keane did was unconscionable. It's not like Keane bided his time and made a rugged but perfectly legal tackle on Haaland as he was carrying the ball up the field with his head down. Keane viciously tackled him from behind with the premeditated intent to hurt him - years after the first altercation (can't use the "red haze" excuse).

Keane has his own "code" that works well for him. Sometimes he has been guilty of "red haze" type fouls and yet has still retained the respect of many due to his determination and commitment. However, if these comments are true, I have to wonder if his "code" is at odds with the acceptable limits of sport. He, and certainly other players who seek to emulate him, may indeed need to have some "code" modification imposed by way of a stiff ban. And if I ever hear this type of admission (or see an unequivocable demonstration of the same mentality) from Stevie G or Patrick Viera or any other player, than I will be the first to recommend it for them.

In no way does this type of play teach an instigator like Haaland sportsmanship. It is intended to be punative, and Keane is not the man to try, judge, sentence and dispense the punishment to another player. That is for the FA and I hope they take it upon themselves to carefully evaluate what Keane did and did not say and act accordingly.

[Father Ted]

How many bad fouls are not intentional.
It's just that Keane admitted it.

[Liverpool_SC]

Originally posted by Father Ted
How many bad fouls are not intentional.
It's just that Keane admitted it.

I think that Gerrard, Viera and even Paul Scholes are often reckless in their challenges, but I am not so convinced about their intent. As I said above, anytime you can prove that a bad foul was intentional - then you should punish it. Due process requires that you prove their intent.

Keane's situation demands a harsher punishment because he has provided the proof (if the quotes are accurate) that his action was a) intentional b) premeditated and c) designed to injure.

It doesn't make him more of a man to admit what he did. It would make him more of a man if he admitted what he did, repented of it, apologized to Haaland and the fans and dedicated himself to playing the game with more integrity. Also, he would need to be gracious in accepting whatever punishment the FA levied. Than he would be worthy of a little respect.

[Motterman]

People are going to use this to have a go at Roy and Manchester United both. Whether completely fair or not. The more rabid criticism will indeed come from the ABU's as you can see at ABU365.com....errr....Football365.com.

[prk166]

Keane's situation demands a harsher punishment because he has provided the proof (if the quotes are accurate) that his action was a) intentional b) premeditated and c) designed to injure.

1) The book hasn't been published yet. Let's see how it's worded then.
2) It just goes to show how behind the times the game is in terms of punishment. Basically, if you blatantly implicate yourself + admit to purposely doing it, you'll really be punished. Otherwise you'll miss a few games. Nice.

[Claymore]

The more Keane opens his mouth about shite like this, the smarter Mick McCarthy looks.

[fazfootball]

roy keane is the hardest working player in the world and there is no question about that and well done for injuring a scum player